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JASON...Berger only sold one ZL1, it wasn't Red and it is still around. You can go to Copo.com and look at the list to verify that Berger only sold one. Maybe your Friend bought Iron 427 COPOS from Berger ? We know D Bridges has one red ZL1 and the other one is now in Canada.
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One quick reference in regards to copying a trim tag and VIN. A VIN tag cannot and will not be reproduced (it's considered a felony and punishable by law). To reproduce a trim tag, an impression of the reverse side of the actual trim tag must be supplied. The person who makes the repro is required to either return that slip of paper with the new tag or must destroy it immediately after the new tag is done. If the tag is reproduced for anyone other than the owner it is considered fraud and one can be looking at a nice lawsuit with jail time to follow. The point everyone is making to you about trim tag is that it is useless without the VIN. I would suggest you send Ed Cunneen over at the COPO Connection a email ([email protected]). Supply the VIN and trim tag info so it can be recorded into his database. Ed will post the last six numbers of the VIN and list the car as destroyed.
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I thought D80 was available on any late 69 Camaro. X44D80 could have been COPO, and 711, 71 71 could have been Yenko-COPO. However, if I am correct about the D80, it could also have been Grandma's car.
Question is whether the build date and body number align with known Yenkos or other COPOs. |
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A discussion came about last month over at Camaro Tech about VINS, models, body sequence numbers, and build dates. I started an Excel spreadsheet compiling all of this data. For the date range and build date of that tag, it is possible it could've come from a COPO or Yenko. The closet thing on my spreadsheet is a COPO build date 05E, body number 340412. I know it's almost 11,000 units off but that is the closet I have as of date. The COPO's weren't built in groups so it's hard to verify. Can any COPO or Yenko owners verify their cars have a build date between 05E and 06A and within the body sequence of the tag 351473?
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11000 units is a big gap! I know some Yenko Camaros that are in the mid 352xxx's. As far as I know, the COPO cars were built in groups, which makes the body number more relevant than the VIN in some cases.
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Yenko, is there any idea how many COPO's were built in a group (excluding the ZL1's)? I see some COPO's on my spreadsheet but they're spread out. If you want I can email you the spreadsheet and you tell me what you think.
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No, I don't know how many cars to a copo group. I just happened to have 2 body numbers from 2 Yenko Camaros that were close to that tag.
I'm a Nova guy [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] and I know that the smallest 'group' of COPO Nova bodies was 50 in '68, 50 in '70, and 125 in '70. There is a possibility that the smallest group might be 2, representing the two Canadian COPO Novas, but I'm not positive on that yet.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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There was a Canadian COPO on ebay last year: N661324 NOR 351468.
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Mine is NOR362851 06A 711 X44 10 10, vin6616xx. Body number is a long way from Bill's post for such a close vin
Frank Payne |
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Gentlemen and ladies, this is the problem that is prevalent in this hobby. If that car is long gone, then so should the tag be disposed of properly. As I stated in a previous post about the state of the hobby -If anyone remembers it- there are way to many unscrupulous people out there making there own cars and doing such a fine job that above average car buffs can't tell the difference. This has got to STOP! I think it is time that a group of people in this hobby go to Chevrolet directly and lets get the build sheets of the cars on microfilm and lets keep everyone honest! To the gentleman who is selling the trim tag I would be more than happy to send a check to see the tag is shipped to me where I will promptly destroy it, to see that no one gets fooled
on a possible fake car purchase 100 years from now..........Joel-ILL Camaro Club |
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