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Marlin,
Now you are manufacturing info. Jack Douglass Did not have his rights to be a Yenko Dealer pulled out from under him. He gave them up voluntarilly , as to him the Deuce was not a car he wanted to try market. To keep the sYc rights he had to order a large quantity of Deuces and Choose not to do so. Ed Schoenthaller who took on the Deuces at Fencil Tufo also tried to get sYc to set him up in 1969, while he was at Briganse Chevrolet. He was informed that Jack Douglass Chevrolet, Inc. maintained the exclusive territory. It is the "fact" that no other Dealer existed in the state of Illinios, much less Chicago Metro For SYC while Jack Douglass Chevrolet was a Yenko Dealer. If you lived in Chicago area and wanted a Yenko you went to Douglass Chevrolet to purchase one, this is the point I have been trying to make all along. It happened. JoeC, Reasonable people can agree to disagree ,to bash someone who was there,has seen ,owned and driven the cars as well as worked hand in hand with Jack Douglass, yet maintains an opinion different from yours, just simply reflects your true character and I am glad to see that you posted it for all to see. Thanks |
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Stefano;
I am not doubting that Douglas had the exclusive rights, but again, we don't truly know whether it was Don or Jack who disolved the dealer from the Network. I would speculate that Jack effectively disolved the arrangement when he back-doored the process. He had obviously decided not to buy the Yenko's from Don anymore. So, I will concede that Jack initiated the 'breakup', but not due to the '70 Yenko Deuce. More Deuces were sold in Illinois than any other state, the bulk of which were in Chicago! More than Virginia (#2), and PA (#3). Why would Jack not want to market the Deuce, a car that sold as well in Chicago as the '69 cars did? (And for the same amount of money I might add!). What was the 'shipper document' that was found? Was it a delivery schedule, build sheet, broadcast sheet? I would propose that Jack found out about the COPO #'s from Berger?
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Marlin,
You are trying to put words in Jacks mouth. He Choose not to sell the Deuce for his own reasons right or wrong. Since he has no desire to participate in this discussion you are getting the hear say from me. It is just that which you mention about Chicago having been such a large market (and it was) Jack Douglass sold quite a few Yenkos. He was one of the highest volume dealers other than Yenko Chevrolet when you include his total sales of both his direct order and the Cannonsberg cars. If he and Don were at odds why wouldn't Don have acted by stopping Jack from selling the cars as Yenkos or setting up other dealers within the state prior to 1970. Jack received his first shippment of Yenkos probably early February. No Jack did not learn of the COPO orders from Dale Berger. It has been clearly stated that he found a shipping invoice from GM, it is labled "Car Shipper". If you follow the sequence of events, which state that he found a "Car Shipper" in two out of the first truck load, which showed the Central Office Production Order Numbers which allowed Jack to place his direct order. Jack had Cannosberg Yenkos on his property long before Berger ever received any of there L72 Iron Block cars. |
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The shipper document found was likely the "Shipper Copy" of the window sticker that would have had all the RPO's and COPO #'s shown but not the prices. I have seen these before. I think Ed C. shows one in his COPO Connection book and there is one in Jerry MacNeish's book as well. They are the next best thing after an original window sticker.
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Stefano; You state that it is "fact" that no other sYc dealer existed in the state of Illinois while Douglass was a Yenko dealer. I am curious as to from "when to when" this was the case, as the "official" list of sYc dealers changed quite often Tom
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Yenko was also installing SW Tachs and Hurst Duel Gate shifters on certain cars. Not sure if Douglas did.
Yenko used this statement on his official letters "THE LEADING U.S. PRODUCER OF HI-PERFORMANCE CHEVROLET BASED VEHICLES" Now you can say it is a "self appointed" manufacturer title but he was recognized as by the organizations I previously mentioned. That is documented. I have tried to keep my posts clean but the Mecum ad really bothers me. It is supposed to be changed but has not. I still have not figured out who they are referring to as the "C.O.P.O Yenko Registry" that calls it a "true Yenko". I emailed Mecum but as yet received no reply. |
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I think the Mecum description is referring to Ed C's www.copo.com site. The cars are actually listed on the site as Douglass Yenko Camaros. I think it is very clear where Ed C. stands on this discussion.
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The difference in value between a COPO and Yenko is pretty substantial.Isn't that what this thread is really all about?Yenko = $$$$$
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Don't mess with old farts - age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill! Bullshit and brilliance only come with age and experience. |
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I think all the owners of the Douglass Copo Yenkos wanted was that the cars to be recognized as such or the right to be sold with that heritage financial gain or no financial gain.
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Bob,
A market value for three Drivable Douglass' has been established and from what I see it is equivelant to any other Yenko Camaros. If the other owners want to dicsuss the offers which they have turned down that is up to them. You had a world record cash offer on the Black Chevelle COPO and at the time it was equal to Yenko Chevelle Dollars. If it was only about the money I believe that you too would have sold it and it was not even one of the 10 Douglass COPO*Yenko Chevelles which Jack Direct ordered. Our society is based on $$$$.00 but this thread to me is just trying to establish that which was. Not to long ago I was told it never even took place. Brian, No I do not do it out of disrespect, I just can't spell. |