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Stefano;
If I ever happen to own a Douglas COPO car, you will get the first call - but the price will be higher than Brian's Yenko [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] Just because Don quoted 22 cars doesn't mean that he had a contract with Douglas. It could mean that he sold Douglas 22 sets of stripes, it could mean anything - the only thing it tells me is that there was no 'meeting of the minds' if there is a difference in the amount of cars that each person says was sold under this proposed agreement; 22 vs. 25. If Don references the 22 cars, why didn't he refer (in writing) to the price paid for these stripes, or the other particulars (in writing) about the proposed agreement? I agree to disagree, I don't want to beat a dead horse. My only point is that there is too little info to conclude that there was any formal contract between Don and Jack to create authentic copies of THE Yenko Camaro. I hope your car does well at the auction,
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Lets see: Walks like a duck, talks like a Duck ,looks like a duck but Runs like a Yenko, therefore must be a COPO.
Has the same father and mother, but considered a Bastared since it was not conceived on a certain , radio active piece of Pa soil. |
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I wouldn't necessarily take the "22" number to heart. Also in the estate document, Don mentions something like 500 Camaros, 350 Deuces...those numbers are from memory, but all the numbers he mentioned were WAY high.
Dad, feel free to correct me on the numbers above... |
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We all have a good idea on why the 500 #.
You have an estate document written by Don's own hand which states 350 Deuces, please share. If Don had stated 1 or 100 wouldn't make a difference to corroborate that the event actually took place and that he had knowledge of it. No one can say it was done without his knowledge. It just happens that Jack Douglass had been Quoting the "25" Number for many years prior to the estate document ever having been revealed. A reasonable person could be confident that Don didn't just pull the "22" out of a hat and his memory at the proximity to when he wrote the document would not be the same as it was in 1987 for a casual magazine interview. He didn't even refer to notes. I beleive that we may be are starting to mix a fresh estate document(late 1969?) with a much later magazine interview/article. When was the 'estate" document dated by the way? |
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Yes, Mr. Clary we have not heard from you about this since about 75 posts ago! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
By the way have we broken a post record yet? [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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So Marlin, if you were presented with a formal agreement between Douglass & Yenko, would you then concede, with all the other evidence, that the Douglass cars should be considered Yenkos?
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Mike;
Only if the wording of the agreement clearly states that Yenko was using Douglas as a subcontractor to modify cars on his behalf, and that Yenko had inventory sheets of these cars that Douglas was modifying. This agreement would be dated in '69 and signed by both Jack and Don, similar to the agreement with Colonial Chev. and Josh Darden. Then I would understand this arrangement to be similar to the Bill Thomas / Nickey arrangement, or the Harrell / Yenko arrangement. A document like this would prove that there was a deal between the two, but I'm still not positive that I would consider them Yenko cars because I'm still hung up on Yenko cars having Yenko Chev. on the MSO/NICB paperwork. You have me thinking harder though, [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] I can't just take verbal recollection at face value, if I did, and I purchased a Douglas car, I don't know that I could afford to be wrong - you know what I mean? I look at it from the perspective that I may only have one chance to buy a 427 Yenko supercar, and I don't want any doubt as to it's heritage. Other guys have a little (or a lot) more 'flexibility' in that area. I would have trouble sleeping at night wondering/doubting my purchase, if I had just spent that much money.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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As I stated when I quoted the document, it was dated "September 19, 1969". Also, why the #500? Why the #350? Being as this article was being written for a magazine article, and that the other numbers are inflated, whose to say Don didn't "embelish" a little with the #22? And, I may be reading too much into it, but it almost sounds like he's bragging about it being "advantageous" for Douglass to use the stripes/emblems to "enhance retailing the merchandise." This was for a magazine article, so he had to make it sound good to the readers! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Rob,
We have found eight Douglass Yenkos, a few of these are needing restoration. The quote from September of 1969 would be fresh in his mind, as opposed to an interview in 1987. Don's numbers happen to be very close to Jack's. If Don wanted to embelish he could have done better than 22 as Douglass Chevrolet out sold Yenko Chevrolet in total retail volume by a substantial margin. What estate Document pegs Yenko Deuce Production at 350 or even Camaros at 500. These would be very significant documents if they indeed do exist. I would agree with you that Don was known for invoking a bit of creative licence to obtain a desired outcome. |
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The exact same document that mentions the Douglass connection mentions the inflated build counts (500 & 350) of the other cars...I believe he gives a wildly high number for the Corvairs as well, but I have slept since I read the thing. If dad ever gets a second to sit down and post (we are swamped at work) then he could give some more details from the document. We have several documents, addressed to such people as the NHRA, AHRA, FIA, magazines, etc., where Don seemingly picked large numbers out of the air, for whatever reason.
So, did Jack order his batch of cars with the sole purpose of adding the stripes/emblems, or did this come about later for one reason or another? |