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Marlin I'm asking you because of the reputation you have ,if you owned a Jack Douglass copo that was sold with Yenko stripes/badging and were going to restore the car and had original photos to document it along with a bill of sale how would you restore the car and when you sold it how would you promote the car?Trick question [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] I know you'll answer honestly. Brian you can answer too.
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According to Shor, he does not want any Yenko items on his Douglass COPO. He likes the X11 with fender pinstriping. I would aggree. The Douglass car is a nice piece on its own. Why cloud the situation with some stripes. It would seem to me that unaware buyers of the 1969 Yenko striped Douglass cars were taken advantage of. It has just taken 30+ years to find out. Did Jack Douglass explain to the buyers of the Yenko striped Douglass order that the cars were not part of Yenko Sports Cars Inc? Doubt it...BKH
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Tim;
Honest question, here's my honest answer. I would not put any Yenko identification on that car if it was mine. If paperwork was located that proved that there was an agreement, I would still be hesitant to do so because the car is not on the Inventory Sheets.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Honest answer, I quit, missed some good stuff on ebay today. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Brian, Do you think people actually cared back then??!!! I'll bet that half if not more of the original buyers that bought Douglas Yenko's new in 69 had no idea who the hell Yenko even was let alone cared where the cars originated from or who striped them!!! I have talked to a person who bought a Cannonsberg Yenko/Douglas car used in 1970 and also who knows how many other people that were also around and in the muscle car/race scene of Chicago in the mid 60's to mid 70's and THEY never heard of Yenko. To the people that had bought the cars new most probably thought they were buying a factory 427 Camaro that had a cool set of stripes on it. These were just cool fast cars back then and this crap didn't matter till they escalated in value. Nobody really wants to admit that this whole disagreement stems about the value from a "real Cannonsberg" Yenko to a "Hinsdale Yenko". I know there has to be a way to seperate the two because like some posts have read if you counted all the cars that got stripe kits over the counter what would that do to the value of everyone elses "REAL" Yenko's? I know that I may be out of pocket here but this is the way im reading this.
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Frank;
I think the YENKO name must have had some impact on the public, otherwise Jack would have left the cars as COPO's. Would he have paid this $400+/- (where does this $# come from anyway?) for the stripes and emblems if they didn't carry some recognition on the buying public? I would agree with you that the general public didn't know what a Yenko was, but somebody who was willing to pay that much for a car should have had some knowledge - especially since the Hedrick car was cleaning up on the strips, and there was an aggressive ad campaign going on. One of my buddies bought his '69 Yenko Camaro in Dec of '69 off a used car lot. The only thing that made him stop and look at the car were the stripes - except that he thought it was a Z28. Once he saw the 427 on the hood, he asked to test drive it. So, not everyone knew what was going on, it would have been especialy hard for him - he was just back from Vietnam.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Frank,
There have been no other Double COPO Camaros or COPO Chevelles direct ordered by a Yenko Sports Car Authorized dealer and then sold to the public as Yenkos.If more are found then these too should be considered Yenkos. The stripes were available after not before the Douglass Yenko order and primarilly I would suspect for replacement on any of the cars which were originally done that way. For example a dented fender/door/1/4 panel which needed to be restriped or stripes which peeled off for one reason or another. I can tell you from experience that it only took three to four winters of salt and snow to completely rust through Camaro floor pans if the car was not cleaned and maintained. The stripes on a year round driven high mile car wouldn't have faired as well. The Clary's can correct me if I am wrong but we have not seen the use of Yenko Stripes by any other Dealer any where at a date earlier than on the Jack Douglass Yenkos. Brian, To insinuate that people were taken advantage of by Jack Douglasss and It took 30 yeras to find out this fact is simply preposterous. My opinions are with Frank, people wouldn't have given a rat's hynee about where the cars had been invoiced to. They were buying the L72 9561 COPO option and 9737 Yenko Sports car conversion option. It is only today that some (actually only a few) people can't acknowledge that this did indeed take place and that it is a special foot note in Yenko and Super Car History. Tim, You asked a question to which the answer was a foregone conclusion. While I may get flamed,I have all the deepest respect for the late great Don Yenko, I can only speculate if he were around to be asked if these Yenkos were considered in his total count? I propose, why then was there no other dealer in the Chicago Illinois market to sell Yenkos? The answer is very simple. Jack Douglass was the only authorized dealer in the territory. |
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Stefano, are you telling me that if you bought a Douglass stiped Yenko new, and now just found out that it was not a Canonsburg car from the start you would be happy about it? How many people would rather own a Douglass Yenko over a Canonsburg Yenko? This might be an interesting poll. It might not mean a hill of beans then, but it is relivent now....BKH
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This has been a fun topic so far. The responses and posts have been quite numerous. It's as if a bunch of us are sitting around on a summer night at some drive-in or diner somewhere discussing the Douglass thing ! The internet really is a great medium for this sort of thing.
Brian, your question to pick one; a Douglass Yenko, or a Cannonsburg Yenko is a little tough. There are inherent monetary values associated with each. A Cannonsburg Yenko is just that. It comes without controversy. It is without question. A Douglass Yenko is going to come with controversy. We have proven that over the last two days right here! There are two sides to this camp. I don't see this changing. Opinions have been made on this issue. I think the Douglass Yenko's are really neat, they have some extra little options that really set them apart, only 5 or 6 of 25 have surfaced, and they have a great story to go along with them [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] It's not like these cars have traded hands much, but I do see a demand and interest for them. Hey, time will tell [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] You tell me...are you really getting tired of this topic? How did you feel when the car was first trailered into your shop? I sensed a certain excitement on your part. While you were going over my car I was drooling over your low mileage Yenko. It was a fun day for me. We were both enjoying Yenkos. One was built in Pennsylvania and spent it's whole life there, the other was built in Illinois and had spent it's whole life there. I can't wait till next year's reunion!! Rob, sign me up! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] |
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This isn't durrogatory but I'd love to see a red black Yenko stripe Douglass copo endura bumper car atlas wheels. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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