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Verbatim, dated September 19, 1969:
"It should be pointed out that Yenko Sportscars did not have any type of exclusive COPO and that many other dealers have purchased cars similar to the cars purchased by Yenko Sportscars. One Yenko dealer, however (Jack Douglas in Hinsdale, Illinois), after making a direct factory purchase of 22 vehicles identical to those sold him previously by Yenko Sportscars, found it advantageous to purchase YENKO emblems and trim to enhance retailing the merchandise." INSERT OPINION HERE: Personally speaking, I feel the Douglass-Yenko cars ARE different than those that went through Canonsburg. Don had a distinct vision of what his Camaros were to be, and ordered them accordingly. Obviously, Jack Douglass had a different vision in mind, and ordered his cars accordingly, but felt, according to the document above, that a set of Yenko stripes/emblems would help sales. All of the other Yenko cars that went to other dealers (and Jack's first batch of COPOs) first passed through Canonsburg, but originated in Don's mind. Jack simply eliminated the middle man, and ordered them himself. Do I fault him for that? Not in the least, as he was running a business, the same as any other dealer, and I do agree with his choice of chambered exhaust. I also don't feel this is a question of his integrity. Let the flames begin! |
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Tim;
I was referring to a 'sales agreement' which defined the geographic territory that Colonial had the rights to be the exclusive Yenko SportsCars dealer. This agreement didn't preclude Colonial from dealer transferring cars like you did at your dealership. I only reference this document as an example of how Don used written agreements under these types of circumstances. I believe Mike is referring to a similar 'sales' situation, whereby Douglas had the exclusive rights to sell sYc products in Chicago for 1969. I don't think that these sales agreements can be assumed to include the authorization to install stripes/emblems etc... Wouldn't that require an additional written agreement? If Jack and Don had this deal going, I would need to see it in writing, that's all.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Come on you guys, I am not getting anything done at work today!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Marlin I understood but when you mention Motion some of the cars MSO's would not go back to Baldwin because a couple were dealer traded.They were sold new by Baldwin but were dealer exchanged because of customer preferance in which the prefered car wasn't lot available. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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I'll add one more thought. Rob's quote indicates the UNIQUE relationship between the two dealerships. Had Jack bought just the the "stripes and trim" for about 50 bucks back then, it would be one thing. The additional fee charged by Yenko for the right to market them, WITH HIS APPROVAL, as Yenkos makes all the difference in the world.
As far as advertising being a determining factor in a marketing agreement, Douglass WAS listed in the Yenko ads as his authorized dealer. These three facts together are pretty compelling. Yes, the cars are different, but, that doesn't make them any less of an official, authorized to sell it to the public, Yenko Camaro. |
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Mike;
I'm not sure that you can say that $400 indicates an authorized arrangement, and $XX does not. If Don could get $400 out of Jack for the stripes, he would charge it. Why would Jack pay $400? If he didn't, he would be stuck with a bunch of COPO cars in a market where he was the exclusive dealer of sYc cars - not a good position to be in. Yes, the cars are significantly different. Until some compelling paperwork shows up to the contrary, I believe that Yenko sold Yenko Camaro's, and Douglas sold COPO Camaros that were copies of Yenko's.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Stefano;
We know that Ed gives Cert's on the Douglas cars, what do they say - I've never seen a cert. on of them. I know that Vince Emme, also a noted authority, will not give a cert. on a Douglas car. So, we are not the first, or only, guys to respectfully disagree on the Douglas situation.
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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Marlin,
With all due respect to Vince he did not know or fully understand the Douglass Yenko situation. I know of two Douglass Yenko Camaros that he verbally verified as Berger Double COPO Camaros. How would he be able to prove or disprove something he has no information about. Verifiing Yenkos off of service or inventory sheets is a different situation. This is in no way meant to discredit Mr.Emme or his knowledge regarding Don Yenko and the Cannonsberg COPOs. Maurice, Your question as well as many of the others have to do primarilly with value. A Yenko Stinger with a vin no matter whether Don installed it or a consumer ,is a vaild car to compete in the sactioning body SCCA racing, so by definition it is a Yenko Stinger. The value of the Super Cars is something that I have not addressed at all as it is not relevant to the discusssion, IMO. Charley, No, I have not seen an original Yenko Window sticker for the Douglass Yenkos. |
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So the value of a Douglas _____________ (fill in the blank) will not be raised if it is certified a real Yenko?????????? And since when is the value of a car not relevent to a dealer?????????? And IMO its all about the money. Thats why origional 100 Stingers are bringing 15,000 to 20,000 and I sold 2 kit cars for 8,000. and that wasn't each!!!
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As a follow up, I am not striping my Douglass Yenko, not because I am questioning it's being a Yenko. I just don't like stripes. It will still retain it's yenko badges and headrests.
This way everyone will be able to spot it at next year's reunion [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] |