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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. In my opinion, only cars originally invoiced through Yenko Chevrolet are "Yenkos". Other wise, we (sYc) would have to include ANY car that was sold else where, but received Yenko emblems/stripes. It has been documented, that as far back as 1969, Yenko would sell the stripe/emblem kits. The stripes and emblems were even listed in Yenko's 1971 Hi-Performance catalog. Tom
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Tom,
I respectfully have to ask you where you have been for all the Douglass discussion this past Year? Why have you not commented till today? Are you implying that someone other than Jack Douglass Sold his own COPO orders as Yenkos and that Jack was not authorized to do so? What became availible in 1971 has absolutely nothing to do with what was sold in 1969. Jack Douglass was not just anyone off the street. He was one of the Yenko "Authorized" Dealers. Do you have any evidence that other dealers sold their own COPO orders per the Yenko Blueprint as new Yenkos in 1969. Have you ever spoken to Jack Douglass or even inspected one of his cars prior to forming this belated opinion. My Camaro was sold new as a Yenko. This is a documented fact , [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif[/img] not just my opinion. To say that to include Douglass cars as Yenko would mean that you would have to include any car which carried Yenko Stripes as a true Yenko,is an argument without much foundation IMO. It was not the stripes which made the Douglass Cars Yenkos but the arrangement to sell them to the public as such as well as the way and reason in which they were ordered, in the first place. Is a Canonsberg Yenko without stripes just a COPO Camaro by your definition? |
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In the past, I had steered away from the debate over the Douglas cars. But once I received an email asking for my opinion on the car, I felt obligated to respond. And, I felt it better to do it here, in the open, where everyone's opinion, not just mine, could be expressed. That way, any potential investors who might frequent this site would know the car's history and how it is classified in the world of supercars. I was not questioning the owner's integrity nor any of the facts surrounding the car. I was simply expressing one man's opinion. It is possible that this discussion could actually raise the value of this car, and others like it. Only time will tell.
Shor; GREAT POST!!! Well said. Tom
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Tom, can you somehow move these last couple of posts over to a "new topic", maybe called Jack Douglass Yenko discussion?
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I just wanted to mention that I grew up only minutes from Jack Douglass Chevrolet, and before I ever purchased my first Yenko, knew the story of Jack Douglass selling Yenko Camaros, and that Jack had found out how to order the cars directly from the factory instead of going through Don Yenko. There was a Daytona Yellow Yenko cruising the streets in the mid seventies that was ordered directly by Jack Douglass. I have since certified this car.
I later learned from talking to Jack Douglass that Don Yenko felt this was an unfair practice. Both agreed that Jack would pay a fee to Don for each Yenko ordered and sold by Douglass. Jack also mentioned that each COPO he ordered was to be outfitted with Yenko stripes and emblems. In my opinion, these Douglas Yenkos are as collectible as any other Yenko sold through the Canonsburg dealership. In fact, I wouldn't mind having that White Douglas Yenko sitting next to my Black COPO Chevelle! If Stefano would only make me a deal! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img] |
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Attention collectors arriving soon-Yenko ertles now in Black,Red, White,Burnished Brown and one or two other colors!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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LOL Tim! I hope not,I don't need any more toy's....
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Man, this is good stuff! Is the bastard child a legitimate heir to the throne???
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So, if all Yenkos are created equal (collectable), does that mean that all Stingers are equal as well? Including the ones that were sold by other dealers, but used (bought $$$) the Stinger kit from Yenko? Tom
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In my opinion. A Douglas 427 COPO Camaro with Yenko stripes is not a Yenko Camaro. It is a copy of a Yenko Camaro. It may be a legal authorized 1969 copy as compared to the illegal copies that are all to common today but still a copy. This is why there are complex Copyright laws. According to legal documents "Copyright law secures for the creator of a creative effort the exclusive right to control who can make copies, or make works derived from the original work." A Yenko Camaro was the creative work of Don Yenko and Yenko Sports Cars. It is no wonder Don was angry with Douglas. Yenko built them (or bought them), modified them, documented them, marketed them and put his name on them. This creative work is the sum of Don's name, racing history, racing sponsorship, magazine advertising, etc., and has a commercial value. That is why Douglas paid Don so he can use the Yenko name and stripes to sell his 427 COPO Camaros. Why didn't he put Douglas stripes and emblems on them? He wanted to copy the Yenko's and take advantage of the Yenko name. Again, this is my opinion, but if the car was not the property of Don Yenko or was not built by Yenko Sports Cars or does not have Yenko documentation, then it is not a Yenko Camaro.
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