Dick Harrell drag car (new thread)

[copolocater]

I don't know who you are or where you came from but I see you just registered on the site yesterday.Who called you to let you know this subject was being discussed on this site?I think that you know as does the administrator of this site that there were 2 funnycars if not possibly 3.We have numerous documentation to prove it.You take whatever stance you need to take by whomever sent you to this site but to question the Gibb family you better be able to back yourself up by documentation not by hearsay.We've done that.I've already spoken to a couple of those people they were wrong. Whether this is a car or not isn't the point to us now its the premise.We've been deceived and were not happy.The reason for me leaving this site is because at the reunion I had a conversation with the administrator and a couple in the know that gaurenteed me that there was only 1 car and it was an extended body car that there was no backup.And now Nancy and Mrs. Gibb has informed us there were 2.The administrator of this site sent me a private message letting us know he knows who has the backup car and he feels its not ours.Read again he knows who has the backup car.Why wasn't I told of this when I asked?This information isn't something that needs to be kept secret.I feel betrayed.Again this isn't about ewhether our car is or isn't its about honesty.Every one has looked at videoed pictured and touched our car its been out there. I think we need to start looking the other way.Since there is a backup car that the administrator confirms lets see it.I'm on my way to Daytona to have a good time I've spoken my piece .This isn't about us or our car anymore this needs to go the other direction.P.S.Our car is a stockbody 118" wheelbase car.Valerie has the only extended body Fred Gibb /Dick harrell extended wheelbase car known to exist.You want to investigate tell me her chassis is NOT 118" long .Sorry Ken I'm trying

[shor]

Thank goodness I deleted my post!!!

[mc25t190]

i'm the guy whos was stupid and sold the radio flyer wagon which is currently undergoing a frame off rest, bent axle. i will confirm as i have a picture with gibbs daughter everything i heard and all the details she pointed out for 30-45 minutes, she knew the car like she was currently driving it, every detail. she was in awe! i was on the move with a yenko shirt deal but had no deaf ears. i heard every word she said, and offered to buy the car then. btw, tim , is right here, along with stefano, myself, rick smith, bulah?sp. and tims dad. i know what i heard and could duplicate it along with stefano , rick, and others present. i am in tims corner on this one guys. this lady knew her stuff. there was no way she could explain those details without knowledge, confirmed i heard her say she had towed this car behind a station wagon at least 150 times. i had her sign the flyer wagon and guess what it is worth now. i sold it to cheap. don't take shots without ammo.

[Souperhigh]

Well put Kevin!!!To many times on our neat site some members quickly shoot from the hip without thinking.

[menmyfcs]

I have heard a lot of statements made in racing and just on TV. I am sure glad I dont believe them all. Maybe I have missed something. This is supposed to be a 69 Dick Harrell funny car. What was she doing towing it behind a wagon when Harrell had a full shop of men to work on His race cars including Ramp turcks and then an 18 wheeler.Some of The Fred Gibb door cars were towed on trailers. Do you have any clue how long it takes to make 150 trips to any where?
I would be suprised in 69 if she was even 16 years old.
On a busy year the car may have made 70 race dates.If Valerie had the 1 car. Who had or has the other.It would be a Don Hardy round tube chassis.Not a square tube car. Now I will ask you.Where is their documentation?

[sixtiesmuscle]

I say, where is EVERYBODY'S documentation?? Let the people you refer to identify themselves, and, state what they think they remember. So far, everything else is just hearsay. Why you think one person's recollections are more accurate than another's, I'm not sure. Unless, as you say, it's what you want to hear.
Can't we keep an open mind, and, let the info develop as it will? It could take months to gather,and, we can't settle these issues by jaw-jackin' on this site.

[bkhpah]

The men that built the car would be a good start. The people that had there hands on the car every day would have an idea of what went on then. Dave Libby saw the car at the reunion, what was his impression? Maybe the Gibb's will share their story with the board members?...BKH

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[sYc]

My original intent was to keep this duscussion civil and off line. Since neither has happened, I will now go online with what I know.

The car in question is not a new found discovery. It has been making the rounds in the vintage funnycar world for the past 2-3 years, much like Bob Peck amd his cars on this site. It is known as the "Idaho" car. No one associated with vintage funnycars has every felt that the car was one of Dicks. The previous owners had tried many avenues to pawn the car off as being one of Dicks, going as far as offering the sYc a nice commission if we could help them sell the car. We passed. Finally the car was listed on Ebay. As is done on this board when a COPO is listed on Ebay, the car was once again discussed on a couple of vintage funny car sites, again with no one saying it was one of Dick's. Thus, the car sold for much less then what a real DH car would sale for. At the supercar reunion, Dave Libby, who was employed by Dick at this time, stated that the car was not one of Dick's. This was done to a group standing around the memorabilia displays.

To the ones who have blasted menmyfcs, you might want to reconsider, apoligize and stick to steel bodied cars. That gentleman was invited to this board by me, becuase he is the world's leading authority on vintage funnycars, bar none. He is employed by NHRA, moderates a couple of vintage funnycar sites, is very involved in vintage funnycar racing, and most important, was a close frined of Dicks during this time. As Ed Cunneen is to ZL-1s, he is to vintage funnycars.

Now, to the Gibbs. Becuase of the respect I have for the Gibb family, it was very troubling for me when it appeared that I was disputing their word. Thus, though a mutal friend, I sent an apoligy to them. I was told that I might want to visit with them direct. Boy, was I surprised to hear what they had say about the events at Vettefest. Here goes, as told to me by Nancy Gibb, with her mom present.

First, a couple of very important facts. 1. Helen Gibb never examined the FC at Vettefest. She was being interviewed by a TV crew. When she finished the interview, she and Nancy left the show. 2. Nancy was 10 years of age in 1969.

Nancy did not tow the cars 150 times, she was sitting in the back seat of a station wagon with Dick's wife Elaine, as it was being pulled down the return road. She did not see two cars being painted at the same time, she told Tim that there were two cars painted the same, the ZL-1 and Dick's funny car. The mis-quotes go on and on. From the very beginning, she told Tim that the chassis was wrong, and that all she knew about the body was that it was similar to Dick's 1969, except Dick's had an extended front end. She gave Tim several examples of other drivers of the time who also had Camaros. When asked if this could be, or that could be, Nancy said yes, could be, but that she did not know. Nancy nor Helen, have no idea whose car Tim has. Nancy only remembers Dick having one 1969 FC, the one he won the world championship in, which has the extended front end. She did say Dick may have had another one, but had no way of knowing.

I do not know what everyone there heard, but I know what Nancy said happened, and I take her for her word. And you do not have to believe me. Ask any close friend of the Gibb family, or ask Tim. He should have an email from Nancy by now expressing their concerns.

The worst part of the whole situation is this, and it saddens me deeply. Because of the way that their words were turned around, Helen was quoted as saying" I wish that we had never gone to the show(Vettevest). I may never attend another event(except LaHarpe)."

Everyone who has participated in the two threads regarding this matter owe the Gibb family an apoligy. I have already done so, several times over. Tom

[davenkc]

Tom,
I agree with your statment about the disrespect shown to the poster menmyfcs I also know who he is and you are accurate in your description of both his knowledge and the respect he has in the f/c world.
That being said if it would be prudent of me to say, I am one of the few remaining people there is who believes he can pretty accuratly explain the many yes and no of Dicks
funny cars from 67 thru 69 which I have intimate knowledge of. I was there! My knowledge of the 70&71 cars does have a few gaps but I do have a fairly good amount about them as well.
This would be a lenghtly post to do this but I would be glad to do it if there was enough interest. I maybe can once and for all clear up a few mostly unfounded rumors

Dave Libby