B-Motion Prod. #'s Bogus?

[rbernat]

fifty thousand seemed to be a bit high for this car considering only the original l-78 build sheet and motion verification form was included.there were too many questions in regards to how the car was actually delivered from motion.i have seen many motion cars and their always phase threes.does anyone know if the motion verification form states it being a phase three?.i have documented a few motion cars thru joel and have never been told that it was a phase three car without receiving the order form or submitting the paperwork that i have to joel.back in 1984 for $500.00 i received the b/m order form along with decals and motion fender badges.i know that the documenting fee has tripled but their should be some paperwork.

[JoeC]

Here is an interesting article on a Camaro web site written by a guy who owned two cars from Motion/Baldwin and knew Joel.(not Phase III cars)
http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/...article_fs.htm

[whitetop]

Joe C gave a long list of different Motion cars. How is this for something different. Chevy Action 1976, 1st Qtr, has a Motion Phase III wreck truck featured. It had 454, Phase III hood, emblems, valve covers etc. This is not a joke. Seems the owner commissioned Joel to build him a fast truck. This truck was also in Hot Rod in the readers letter section in 1977-78. Motion also built Phase III Chevy Blazers with all the Motion stuff. Mrs Rosen rode around in this one.
Again, I'm not kidding.

whitetop

[JoeC]

Whitetop - I believe it - Motion would hot rod anything! Motion built at least one Elcamino with a 427/425hp motor. It was featured in HP Cars mag and was built as a tow car. Another odd Motion vehicle was the V8 Vega woody wagon that Joel drove as his personal transportation.(this was also in an HP Cars article). Old Magazines are great.

[djunod]

Old topic again...

I believe another factor in the inflated numbers is EGO. People liked to be viewed as prolific.

On August 20 2002, I talked with Joel Rosen on the telephone about some Maco issues---current pricing for the Maco & Manta Ray kits that he STILL sells).

He told me flat out that he made 3 Maco's and 1 Manta Ray (Ray Pennington). Those are different numbers then I've seen in magazines.

BTW---Here's a picture of outside Silva's shop.



[edited September to August]

[Rat_Pack]

Whitetop, I think the 500 number is probably close to correct if you count all makes of cars he did: Oldsmobiles, Dodge & Plymouths, Buicks, and of course the VW's. Let me clarify, all cars he "modified" or converted including the cars from Baldwin Chevrolet. What do you think?....................RatPack.................