To my Canadian Friends

[SS427]

Actually Lynn, it is not much different here in the states. Many years ago after moving to Illinois I quickly purchased a gun and enrolled in a CCW class. However, since taking the class and getting my license, I seldom carry on my person but do have them in my trucks, bed and living area of our home. The reason is the instructor and the state cop scared me into that feeling. At least here in Illinois, we have no stand your ground laws. If someone enters your home to steal your TV, give it to them and DO NOT threaten them with a firearm. You can also not display your weapon nor fire a warning shot, even on our hobby farm. If they do threaten you, you must PROVE that you tried every means of escape and that it was the very last resort. If you do kill someone, you ARE arrested for murder. In all likelihood you will not be convicted but just like in Canada, you must prove your innocence in a court of law. This will take every bit of $50-$100k. I have a LOT of friends in various parts of law enforcement and they all tell me pretty much the same. The criminals have more rights than we do. I could go on and on about what I learned in CCW class but it would take pages. Lastly and especially on our hobby farm, you do not want to display any signs, joking or not regarding "these premises guarded by Smith and Wesson" or "Leave your next of kin information" or "come on this property and you will meet the Devil", etc, etc. All of those show intent which will not help you in the end in court.

[CamaroNOS]

Sad to hear that your laws are changing as well. We in Canada are pretty much hogtied in regards to defending our property. Just think how futile and stupid that actually sounds.

All I want to know, is how did we get to this point? What wizards approved this sort of reality?

Like everybody here, I just shake my head.

Canada is still a great place but she is changing fast, and not for the better.

Paul

[Zedder]

Originally Posted by CamaroNOS

Sad to hear that your laws are changing as well. We in Canada are pretty much hogtied in regards to defending our property. Just think how futile and stupid that actually sounds.

All I want to know, is how did we get to this point? What wizards approved this sort of reality?

Like everybody here, I just shake my head.

Canada is still a great place but she is changing fast, and not for the better.

Paul

I earned my first black belt in 1985. The reasonable force component of the law was in place then (had to attend a seminar on the topic that was run by a Hamilton cop).

We are having weekly car and home thefts on my neighborhood and have had a number of armed home invasions - the most recent was last month 2 streets away from my place. All of us are fortifying our homes to make them harder to break into. It is a sad state of affairs.

Here is a Toronto lawyer discussing the self defense laws in Canada. He gets most points…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xolys_2hl4