1968 Yenko Camaro RS/SS YS-8035 Barrett Jackson

[FTC]

First off, I'm glad you were able to stop this purchase, and I believe the car should be better represented when being sold, and complete disclosure of how it was restored should be given to all prospective buyers.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'd just like to know your opinion on this subject. I've seen this discussed every so often. Is it a given that everyone believes as long as the original firewall and cowl panel sheet metal is used, with the hidden VINs stamped on them,..it's accepted as being the original car?

Even if fenders, doors, quarters, roof, tail panel, rockers,..etc,,etc have been replaced due to crash damage or rust and rot, and the only remaining sheet metal is the cowl and firewall?

What if the fire wall and cowl was destroyed beyond repair, by rot or a t bone crash, wouldn't replacing those parts to factory specs and tolerances, for aesthetics and safety reasons, be the proper repair?

If a donor body was used completely, or for those parts in question, and it was a legit, registered, owned and titled car by the same person as the car being restored is, therefor removing any inclination that there was some underhanded, stolen vehicle issues being covered up....wouldn't using the used OEM body parts..be the same or even better than using aftermarket parts or catalog parts to repair the car?

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by FTC

First off, I'm glad you were able to stop this purchase, and I believe the car should be better represented when being sold, and complete disclosure of how it was restored should be given to all prospective buyers.

I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'd just like to know your opinion on this subject. I've seen this discussed every so often. Is it a given that everyone believes as long as the original firewall and cowl panel sheet metal is used, with the hidden VINs stamped on them,..it's accepted as being the original car?

Even if fenders, doors, quarters, roof, tail panel, rockers,..etc,,etc have been replaced due to crash damage or rust and rot, and the only remaining sheet metal is the cowl and firewall?

What if the fire wall and cowl was destroyed beyond repair, by rot or a t bone crash, wouldn't replacing those parts to factory specs and tolerances, for aesthetics and safety reasons, be the proper repair?

If a donor body was used completely, or for those parts in question, and it was a legit, registered, owned and titled car by the same person as the car being restored is, therefor removing any inclination that there was some underhanded, stolen vehicle issues being covered up....wouldn't using the used OEM body parts..be the same or even better than using aftermarket parts or catalog parts to repair the car?

"Ship of Theseus Paradox"

https://www.google.com/search?q=ship...active&ssui=on

People have been attempting to answer these questions since the first century. Ask ten different enthusiasts and you'll get twenty different answers.

The only difference is that first century wooden ships did not have hidden VINs (as far as I know).

K

[TarheelRyan]

Pete - Nasblu, another member on this site, was able to track this car's history back to the original owner. Through his research, the 3rd owner is the one who rebodied the car. The body tub of YS-8035 sat behind his garage for a period of time before it was purchased and used in some form of dirt track racing. Thereafter, it was scrapped and crushed.

[GMC_Typhoon]

Sometimes I wish I could rebody my wife.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by GMC_Typhoon

Sometimes I wish I could rebody my wife.

lmao......

[luzl78]

Originally Posted by GMC_Typhoon

Sometimes I wish I could rebody my wife.

better keep her off this thread

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore

"Ship of Theseus Paradox"

https://www.google.com/search?q=ship...active&ssui=on

People have been attempting to answer these questions since the first century. Ask ten different enthusiasts and you'll get twenty different answers.

The only difference is that first century wooden ships did not have hidden VINs (as far as I know).

K

Hmmm,....I never heard of that but it sure does sound like the same debate.

[SS427]

Originally Posted by FTC

Even if fenders, doors, quarters, roof, tail panel, rockers,..etc,,etc have been replaced due to crash damage or rust and rot, and the only remaining sheet metal is the cowl and firewall?

My opinion has always been, and take it for just what it is, an opinion, is that as long as the firewall and the main 'birdcage' if you will is reused, I do not consider it a rebody. I have had cars in my shop that we had to replace every bit of sheetmetal such as quarters, decklid, door skins, hood and fenders but used the original birdcage and firewall, I do not consider that a rebody by any stretch. Again, just my opinion.

[R68GTO]

Originally Posted by SS427

My opinion has always been, and take it for just what it is, an opinion, is that as long as the firewall and the main 'birdcage' if you will is reused, I do not consider it a rebody. I have had cars in my shop that we had to replace every bit of sheetmetal such as quarters, decklid, door skins, hood and fenders but used the original birdcage and firewall, I do not consider that a rebody by any stretch. Again, just my opinion.

I'm with Rick on this....commonly called the "body in white" these days, it is the main inner structure that surrounds the passenger cabin. Includes floors, firewall, A&B pillars, rockers, and inner wheelhouses. While it's common to replace parts of the cage (rockers, floors), the rest of it usually stays relatively intact barring a significant collision.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by SS427

My opinion has always been, and take it for just what it is, an opinion, is that as long as the firewall and the main 'birdcage' if you will is reused, I do not consider it a rebody. I have had cars in my shop that we had to replace every bit of sheetmetal such as quarters, decklid, door skins, hood and fenders but used the original birdcage and firewall, I do not consider that a rebody by any stretch. Again, just my opinion.

I agree for the most part, but I am a body shop manager, auto painter by trade, and in my 45 years being in this trade, I have seen a lot .

I guess my question, or maybe it's an opinion is,.....if a "rare" car, (take that term as you will) meaning not some base 6 cylinder daily driver, is on it's way to getting restored, aka replacing 75% of it's sheet metal, because of rot from sitting in four feet of chicken poop in a barn some where,...and it has extensive damage to the hinge pillar, cowl panel, and firewall, from a side T-Bone hit, and those panels are also showing signs of rust as well....isn't panel replacement not only the correct way to repair those area, but the proper and safe way of restoring the car? If the answer is yes, then there are only two ways to achieve that.

1. After all the work on the frame machine, the pulling and measuring is done, the cowl and firewall and dash panel are cut off and replaced, (which will be joined by rotted floors, roof, rockers, quarters, etc...being replaced later) with new NOS or Aftermarket parts, resulting in the unavoidable removal of the VIN plate, data tag, and partial VINs.

Or

2. The rare car receives a donor body, one in great original shape, with all factory assembled OEM sheet metal, at factory specs, which also will result in the unavoidable removal of the VIN plate, data tag, and partial VINs.