ZL1 #9 Barrett Jackson - Where's Waldo

[Pro Stock John]

Frank I agree, I'd assume some guys on here know about the restoration of this car and could elaborate. I assume by the comments I've read that another body was used. I know of other cars are are rebodies.

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Z282NV

I don't know why people get fixated on "where is the line". The line for you or the line for me maybe at different spots. The important thing is disclosure for what was truely done to car in it's restoration. No half baked words like a GM body was used. Just spill the beans and be honest. Honesty is what builds reputations.

The great thing about this site is the knowledge people have in recognizing fakes. If I ever had the money to buy a high end car rest assure I would be sending a few PM's to a few people here if they willing to help me.

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Frank I agree, I'd assume some guys on here know about the restoration of this car and could elaborate. I assume by the comments I've read that another body was used. I know of other cars are are rebodies.

I'd hardly call myself "fixated" on it but, never the less, my "line" so to speak is, I lean toward being more "ok" with a body swap if ...

1. Indeed all or most of the parts would need replacing with new or used parts anyway, (and a factory built body is often built better than a body shop built body)...

and 2. I'd prefer the original firewall and dash/cowl sections be transferred to the donor body, maybe it's just me but separating the VIN and cowl tags from the original and installing on another body, meaning two cars and two VINs and cowl tags are being tampered with,..just screams crooked, deceiving and/or illegal to me, whether it's disclosed or not.

[Big Block Bill]

" I'd prefer the original firewall and dash/cowl sections be transferred to the donor body, maybe it's just me but separating the VIN and cowl tags from the original and installing on another body, meaning two cars and two VINs and cowl tags are being tampered with,..just screams crooked, deceiving and/or illegal to me, whether it's disclosed or not.

And this is not crooked? No, it's illegal and a federal crime. Bill

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Big Block Bill

" I'd prefer the original firewall and dash/cowl sections be transferred to the donor body, maybe it's just me but separating the VIN and cowl tags from the original and installing on another body, meaning two cars and two VINs and cowl tags are being tampered with,..just screams crooked, deceiving and/or illegal to me, whether it's disclosed or not.

And this is not crooked? No, it's illegal and a federal crime. Bill

From what I gather from your reply, you are stating whether someone removes two sets on VIN tags and cowl tags and installs the COPO ones on the donor, or someone removes the entire firewall and cowl/dash section and transfers it to a donor, they are both illegal and a federal crime? Then why is this story about #9 COPO being debated about, and the only thing being discussed is whether or not the re-body is being disclosed to the potential buyers, and how the wording is shady,.......shouldn't the crime be what's being discussed?

[Big Block Bill]

Being a licensed Rebuilder and Parts Recycler in the State of Illinois for the last 37 years, it is my understanding that taking vin tags and or sections of a vehicles body containing vin tags and installing them on another body is Illegal and a federal crime, but I am no lawyer so to get a true read on the subject someone with a law degree will have to respond to this. I am sure there are a few lawyers in our Yenko.net family so I hope one will give us their professional opinion on the matter to set the record straight. Bill

[FTC]

Originally Posted by Big Block Bill

Being a licensed Rebuilder and Parts Recycler in the State of Illinois for the last 37 years, it is my understanding that taking vin tags and or sections of a vehicles body containing vin tags and installing them on another body is Illegal and a federal crime, but I am no lawyer so to get a true read on the subject someone with a law degree will have to respond to this. I am sure there are a few lawyers in our Yenko.net family so I hope one will give us their professional opinion on the matter to set the record straight. Bill

Thanks for the reply Bill. I too have been in the auto body business for 42 years, an auto painter by trade, I have been running the two shops I have worked at longer than I was the painter in each. That's why red flags fly up every time VINs are discussed. I have seen, just during out of state VIN checks being done for care sales, them get denied or impounded.

Perhaps that's why initially, the statement that "A GM factory assembled body shell was used to correct the extensive body modifications performed during this cars long term drag race history" was used,....so legal implications for re-bodying a car would be avoided. But later on, the statement was made, "Prior to yesterday I had finished my signage for B-J with a clear disclosure of the body replacement done by Floyd."

Seems to me everyone up in arms about this car are just concerned with the wording of the description, and whether or not potential buyers know it was re-bodied or not, and no one is concerned that re-bodying a car might well be completely illegal.

[Too Many Projects]

Depends on what state and year the rebody was done. Some states did and may still do, allow that IF both vehicles are registered to the same person and the body is used to restore one of them, it is allowed. I had a '67 Camaro that was a combination mutt out of TX about 15 years ago and I talked to their DMV and they were fine with it. I had figured out the original vin of the vehicle and gave her both and she said they had both been registered to the same person and she didn't view the tag swap as malicious or to deceive, which it seriously did but she didn't see it that way. I then called the NICB and asked them about it and the guy said they don't agree with the Texas perception of the law, but once a body/tag has been swapped and the vehicle given a clean TX title, there isn't anything they can do about it.