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Help me to understand this a bit. How will the kwh rate be set for these stations? Will it be a flat rate nationwide rate or locally set? Since the taxpayer is footing the bill for the install (and presumed upkeep), the only cost will be the kwh? Also, it seems that this is putting the government in direct competition with private enterprise who might want to install charging stations? It would be like the government building gas stations next to Sunoco's etc. I bet that would go over well. Maybe this has been discussed and thought through.
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Help me to understand this a bit. How will the kwh rate be set for these stations? Will it be a flat rate nationwide rate or locally set? Since the taxpayer is footing the bill for the install (and presumed upkeep), the only cost will be the kwh? Also, it seems that this is putting the government in direct competition with private enterprise who might want to install charging stations? It would be like the government building gas stations next to Sunoco's etc. I bet that would go over well. Maybe this has been discussed and thought through.
How do they set the price of a gallon of gas on the US Interstates. They are definitely not the same for each state.

Sorry - no taxpayer money involved - Monolopy Money - just spend what you don't have knowing it will never be held accountable for.

The Govt. is paying for it but it is not running the EV charging stations. It will be up to the individaul states to do that.
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And everyone charging their vehicles pays how much, and by what means for this service?
I assume most will pay by credit card? Everything about EV's are such a Joke when you look at the WHOLE process.

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And everyone charging their vehicles pays how much, and by what means for this service?
I assume most will pay by credit card? Everything about EV's are such a Joke when you look at the WHOLE process.

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How do people pay for gas? Credit/Debit cards. That wasn't hard to figure out was it?

Again, the price will not be the same in each state just like the price of gas is diffrerent in each state.

The internet is a wonderful tool Bill. Try using it for answers to your questions:

Table of Average Electricity Rates by State



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How do people pay for gas? Credit/Debit cards. That wasn't hard to figure out was it?

Again, the price will not be the same in each state just like the price of gas is diffrerent in each state.

The internet is a wonderful tool Bill. Try using it for answers to your questions:

Table of Average Electricity Rates by State



https://www.electricchoice.com/elect...ices-by-state/
Lee,

Did I strike a nerve or something? Your reply was a little harsh don't you think? Most people on this site know I have owned a Marathon Truck Stop and Repair facility for the last 37 years, and worked there a total of 49 years as an employee or employer so I obviously know how people pay for Fuel. Sorry if I didn't explain myself, but what I was asking if the whole process was going to be paid like a toll system is, as to where Illinois' I-Pass system is good in many states when traveling to pay for tolls and vise versa, then you would be billed directly every month by the state issuing your transponder.

Your table of State electricity prices doesn't answer my question how much per charge people will be paying, That was my question. If you would like to take this conversation off line, tell me and I'll give you my cell phone number so we can talk, I am not a bad Guy, and I really enjoy this site, so I'm NOT looking to start a War. I just don't get the Buzz about EV's being practical (right now anyway). And by the way diffrerent is spelled different, and I know how to use the Internet.

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Did I strike a nerve or something? Your reply was a little harsh don't you think? Most people on this site know I have owned a Marathon Truck Stop and Repair facility for the last 37 years, and worked there a total of 49 years as an employee or employer so I obviously know how people pay for Fuel. Sorry if I didn't explain myself, but what I was asking if the whole process was going to be paid like a toll system is, as to where Illinois' I-Pass system is good in many states when traveling to pay for tolls and vise versa, then you would be billed directly every month by the state issuing your transponder.
And if I want to drive from New York to California - you can see where Trasponders really wouldn't work. It will work the same way it does today only with gas. You pull in - submit your CC/Debit Card into the charging station and charge up. Your rate is based on which state your in. Instead of gallons of gas it's KWH.

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Your table of State electricity prices doesn't answer my question how much per charge people will be paying, That was my question. If you would like to take this conversation off line, tell me and I'll give you my cell phone number so we can talk, I am not a bad Guy, and I really enjoy this site, so I'm looking to start a War. I just don't get the Buzz about EV's being practical (right now anyway). And by the way diffrerent is spelled different, and I know how to use the Internet.

Respectfully waiting for your reply, public or private.
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How much will people pay? How much do they pay today to fill up with gas? One guy used 15 gallons, another 22. It will be the same for an EV Charging Station. Keep in mind that buying gas includes state and federal taxes. That will have to be added to every charge some how.

There is no reason to complicate this. Just substitute a Charging Station for a Gas Pump.
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How do people pay for gas? Credit/Debit cards. That wasn't hard to figure out was it?

Again, the price will not be the same in each state just like the price of gas is diffrerent in each state.

The internet is a wonderful tool Bill. Try using it for answers to your questions:

Table of Average Electricity Rates by State



https://www.electricchoice.com/elect...ices-by-state/
Lee it's not that simple, and please show some respect to members questions. This industry can't even agree on a common charging plug. Nothing is set in stone at this point.

If for instance an owner supplies their own charging power by use of solar/wind how is the road tax collected. Perhaps EV cars will have instrumentation to capture charging information and transmit it to tax collecting municipalities.

I could also see where home/roadside charging stations will ultimately be required by state /federal government to report usage and collect tax based on each vehicle and ultimately each owner.
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Lee it's not that simple, and please show some respect to members questions. This industry can't even agree on a common charging plug. Nothing is set in stone at this point.

If for instance an owner supplies their own charging power by use of solar/wind how is the road tax collected. Perhaps EV cars will have instrumentation to capture charging information and transmit it to tax collecting municipalities.

I could also see where home/roadside charging stations will ultimately be required by state /federal government to report usage and collect tax based on each vehicle and ultimately each owner.
I think standardization of the charging plugs is happening but it will take a while. it's in the best interest of the OEMs to do this, it will reduce range anxiety.
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The Govt. is paying for it but it is not running the EV charging stations. It will be up to the individual states to do that.
Somehow this doesn't make me feel any better
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