Unrestored 67 Camaro L78 pics

[Zedder]

Thanks Tony. He is just a bit of an odd duck that does things his way. He's owned the car for 30 years, so who am I to rush him

[cook_dw]

Originally Posted by Zedder

….so who am I to rush him

Or to judge him.. We all are a little different... Sometimes folks process and interpret things differently.. Seek to understand than to be understood.

We southern folk are set in our ways. You push us too much we will tell you to kick rocks. But in a harsher manner.

[cook_dw]

Show off..

[Steve Shauger]

Originally Posted by cook_dw

Show off..

They are not Charley's. He sharing some of the most unmolested survivor blackout examples known to exist for reference.

[cook_dw]

Eh he still sucks..

[67since67]

I know zilch about details on these Camaros, but just throwing it out, FWIW, on '67 Chevelles the rear blackout can vary plant to plant (five plants). Same with firewall blackout. Some plants sprayed the tail panel black before body color, some black over body color.

[60sStuff]

Ok, I need to chime in also as I have seen other conversations in other threads talking about the black painted areas on GM muscle cars, especially the tail panel.

I’m another guy that knows little about the Camaro and the Chevelle.

My expertise are the early GTO’s (65-66-67).
They were also manufactured at 5 different plants that can result in variations in paint finish.

The reasons below will determine the “shade” of black seen on an Original Factory lacquer paint.

1) The plant and their pace / quality control used at that plant.
2) The guy behind the spray gun on a particular day. Sober or not. Was it applied thick or thin?
3) The environment a particular car has endured for 55+ years. Was the tail panel subjected to sunlight for a period of time?
Where was it kept - Dry, Damp, Cleaned/Waxed on a regular bases as the Owners Guide suggest? Is there any minute lacquer check?
4) On the GTO’s they called for a 60 degree gloss in certain areas. What the heck is 60 degrees? Satin?

Personally, I think the consistency, or lack of, on this “black paint” topic will never be resolved.

Cheers 🍺

[JoeC]

the black out on some of the wheels seemed to have variations in paint finish also

[cook_dw]

Originally Posted by 60sStuff

4) On the GTO’s they called for a 60 degree gloss in certain areas. What the heck is 60 degrees? Satin?

Maybe they were requiring the ambient temp to be at least 60°F for the paint to be applied. That's a guess.

Originally Posted by 60sStuff

Personally, I think the consistency, or lack of, on this “black paint” topic will never be resolved.

Cheers ��

AMEN! It's funny how everyone wants to be right or wants to prove others wrong. Who really cares? Paint it what YOU think it should be and get the car finish and enjoy the damn thing. Life's too short.

[x33rs]

Originally Posted by 60sStuff

Ok, I need to chime in also as I have seen other conversations in other threads talking about the black painted areas on GM muscle cars, especially the tail panel.

I’m another guy that knows little about the Camaro and the Chevelle.

My expertise are the early GTO’s (65-66-67).
They were also manufactured at 5 different plants that can result in variations in paint finish.

The reasons below will determine the “shade” of black seen on an Original Factory lacquer paint.

1) The plant and their pace / quality control used at that plant.
2) The guy behind the spray gun on a particular day. Sober or not. Was it applied thick or thin?
3) The environment a particular car has endured for 55+ years. Was the tail panel subjected to sunlight for a period of time?
Where was it kept - Dry, Damp, Cleaned/Waxed on a regular bases as the Owners Guide suggest? Is there any minute lacquer check?
4) On the GTO’s they called for a 60 degree gloss in certain areas. What the heck is 60 degrees? Satin?

Personally, I think the consistency, or lack of, on this “black paint” topic will never be resolved.

Cheers ��

An interesting subject on Pontiacs and funny story about it. My father bought his 69 GTO brand new and still owns it. His came factory with a blacked out tail panel, built in Baltimore. It's mainly hidden under the decklid so it preserves well. It's not full gloss by the way

In the 90's there was little known about it back then. At a big Pontiac show there was a guy (I'll leave his name out) that was an editor of a very popular Pontiac magazine during that time, that felt compelled to come up and tell dad that black out isn't even supposed to be there. He was very adamant about it, right up until dad told him he bought the car new and it has always been there, and even has baby pictures of the car in 69 showing it. He still refused to believe and walked away. He wasn't very nice about it to say the least.
So a couple years later the monthly issue of that mag comes out, (dad was a subscriber) and sure enough, he had now written an article about it, stating how Baltimore was the only plant doing black out at that time on early production 69's. Later that year we were at the Tri-Power Nats with the car and dad ran across this guy. Of course he had to walk up and mention how he noticed he has now written an article about the black out panel on 69's. Even after a couple years had passed this guy still seemed bitter about it. Never understood why. Maybe didn't enjoy being wrong about it?? Dad just said "I told ya so" and walked away. LOL Now it's widely accepted to see 69's with it, at least Baltimore built cars within the first few months.