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Old 03-16-2020, 01:54 AM
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Absolutely disagree. People should be smart, but this complete shutdown is not needed.
Yes it is. The first and most important step is containment.

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Where was this panic for the H1N1 epidemic that was far worse?
The H1N1 epidemic (not a pandemic) happened during The Great Recession: April 2009. The panic was centered on people losing their homes, not on getting sick.

The COVID-19 happened during a Bull market with housing fully recovered from TGR and very low unemployment. You could say we were "Lotus Eaters."

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I'm not saying that people should needlessly put themselves in harms way, and if you have a compromised immune system or elderly, then stay home and stay safe, but for the rest of society to completely shut down is just not needed, IMHO.
It is if you want to contain this. Almost all the infected people got the virus through some kind of contact with hotspot areas, except where a husband infected his wife and visa versa. Here in NM most of the infected people had just come back from trips to NYC and Italy. And BTW, our newest four cases: man in his 20s, two men in their 30s and one man in his 40s. So don't believe that COVID-19 only targets the elderly
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The COVID-19 Coronavirus Is Now A Pandemic - Can We Ethically Deal With Lockdowns?

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Old 03-16-2020, 02:39 AM
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Ontario, Canada: second largest province, covering more than one million square kilometres (415,000 square miles) - an area larger than France and Spain combined. With a population of more than 13.5 million, Ontario is home to more than 1 in 3 Canadians.

Ontario currently has 145 COVID-19 cases 304 in all of Canada:



Just as a comparison, New York City - much less population, but a much smaller geographic area - has 329. Total for NY State is 729.

The last stats I saw for cases versus deaths was 150,000/5000 which is a .03 mortality rate. The problem is the shape of the above curve. When you hear "flattening the curve" now you can understand what they are trying to accomplish: containment. Give scientists the chance to come up with antivirals and a cure. If we look at H1N1 it took 8 months to discovery a cure: April 2009 to December 2009.

The flatter we make the curve the more people will not only recover but also not become infected or die.

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Lee, we have 145 cases in Ontario as of 5 minutes ago. 304 in all of Canada.
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Lee, we have 145 cases in Ontario as of 5 minutes ago. 304 in all of Canada.
Oops! OK - fixed it. Thanks for the correction
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Looks as though we will be looking to stop the virus here and then set the example for the world.

If the US pulls it off then it will be a once in a generation shift in the global landscape.

The vaccine is the key. We may be looking at the end of open Borders, and a redefinition as to what "globalism" and more specifically multiculturalism really means to a society.

Interesting future I think.
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BTW - more bad news:

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New York City Movie Theaters Ordered to Close Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

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The order also includes the closure of nightclubs, small theater houses and concert venues. Restaurants, bars and cafes will be limited to food delivery and take-out only. The closures will take effect at 9 a.m. on Tuesday, March 17.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...ndemic-1284783

This is what is needed to flatten the curve. Don't leave it in the hands of the general public, who has already proven to be irresponsible about dealing with COVID-19.
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Very Likely that this is it: https://www.dailywire.com/news/repor...st-coronavirus
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