1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

[Day2_69Z]

Clem,
We all would love to be entertained with your automotive archives of photos, stories, opinions and general commradery......
We all eat this stuff up.....
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I'm sure you'll enjoy the memories as well...'maybe even more ' than us here....

Go through the index.
You'll see. Subject matter here is wide open...
Any insight/input would be applauded.
Tom Martin ....yes, Joe's my Dad....& still with us.

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Posted by Clem.. &quot;because jerry reputation as a Camaro expert is at stake here . why do you think his buddy william keep posting he did not see any EO paint when they looked at the car ????&quot;

Clem. Jerry is not allowed on this site for other reasons. His reputation is not at stake here. I believe William is defending his position because that is what he believes he saw. My personal opinion is the car was some other color than Silver and that William missed noticing it. Joe Blow off the street would look at the pic with the mags on it and say &quot;Silver&quot;. Not unless the Orchid color is brought up do you notice the off color.

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Not quite what happened Charlie. All we knew going into this was the car was - B paint. We saw the car late 2010. Clem was not involved at the time and we had not seen the photo. Once again after two hours of examination there was no question all we saw was silver. Only after Clem became involved did the EO claim become a factor. JM emailed me June 17, 2011 and stated: &quot;No way this is Evening Orchid.&quot; One of his neighbors growing up in Baltimore had an EO '65 Impala SS convert, 396 4-speed. It is an instantly recognizable color.

When the owner later posted photos of the car dismantled it was obvious even to me there was a slight lavender tint to the OE paint. EO is hardly 'slightly' lavender. Close up GM code #81 looks silver; from a distance the tint becomes apparent. It is nowhere near as dark as EO.

I was there. EO would have been obvious. </div></div>when you guys looked at the car first you said it was Cortez silver with stripes delete and never said it was special paint. I am not good at going back on computers but some can bring up the original posts on www.camaro.org

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I am not good at going back on computers but some can bring up the original posts on www.camaro.org...</div></div>


Camaro.net thread, click here...
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=207776

Thanks for your responses to my thoughts earlier Clem!
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~ Pete

[William]

Stripe delete IS special paint.

In the previous post I stated my thinking changed when I saw the car disassembled. GM code #81 is still silver; all we saw was silver. Both of us are quite familiar with EO having seen many original examples over the years. EO would have been immediately obvious. It obviously wasn't.

The first two photos accurately depict what was observed-silver. First photo taken 2012; second one 1970. Paint finish looks the same despite the years. EO is seen in photos #3 &amp; #4 and is not remotely close to #1 &amp; #2.

[novadude]

I guess I am still wondering why the original owner would have any reason to lie about the color? I can't see where he has any stake in this, so why would we have any reason not to believe him?

I can say FOR SURE that original paint 1965 EO lacquer seems to be a much lighter, more silvery hue than what you get today spraying PPG base/clear. We had my Dad's urethane base/clear EO Nova near an original paint EO car at one point, and the original paint car looked silver by comparison. Much lighter, and less purple.

[markinnaples]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: novadude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I am still wondering why the original owner would have any reason to lie about the color? I can't see where he has any stake in this, so why would we have any reason not to believe him?

I can say FOR SURE that original paint 1965 EO lacquer seems to be a much lighter, more silvery hue than what you get today spraying PPG base/clear. We had my Dad's urethane base/clear EO Nova near an original paint EO car at one point, and the original paint car looked silver by comparison. Much lighter, and less purple. </div></div>

Great post.

[Day2_69Z]

It is a light hue...OEM. E-O (Pastel )
The NASCAR 65 IMPALA pictured here is a perfect example of a &quot;mix in non lacquer&quot;. 50 years removed. That pics show a deeper darker pigment.

Clear coat in lacquer or enamel changes any color of base ....typically darkens it up.

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: novadude</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess I am still wondering why the original owner would have any reason to lie about the color? I can't see where he has any stake in this, so why would we have any reason not to believe him?

I can say FOR SURE that original paint 1965 EO lacquer seems to be a much lighter, more silvery hue than what you get today spraying PPG base/clear. We had my Dad's urethane base/clear EO Nova near an original paint EO car at one point, and the original paint car looked silver by comparison. Much lighter, and less purple.

</div></div>it is CYA time for the experts. if they can't get the color correct what about the other stuff on the car ???

[70 copo]

William,

Have you ever met a guy from the Fisher Body division at Norwood who sprayed out of a paint pot?

[Mr70]

Indigo colors are the most unstable colors in the paint spectrum.
Add years of sunlight,or flo lights,and so many temperature differences since then,and I could see how some may be mis-lead thinking it came silver.