1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

[DW31S]

I don't have a gun in this fight, but I do have a few thoughts that might be pertinent in the discussion. Several years ago, I had an original, unrestored 9800 mile 1972 GS Conv. that I sold to the current owner of the HO Z/28 recently nicknamed "The Truth". That GS was a customer factory order (not a dealer inventory order) that had 31 options including "Special Paint". The car was ordered in a "Riviera Only" color called "Dark Chestnut Poly" that was a 1972 GM color, but not normally available on A-bodies. This GS was painted partially assembled ( more in a second) and had overspray everywhere! The paint was HORRENDOUS but ORIGINAL. The front clip had more overspray than the rest of the car and not surprisingly, it was NOT a perfect color match to the rest of the car. The window sticker did list "Special Paint" as option and the color WAS listed at the bottom, but NOT in the option list area. Knowing the front clips were painted in a different area of the plant explained the mismatched color that was not a normally used hue. Is there a chance the window sticker is available for the Z/28 being discussed here? If so, it would/should help clear up the controversy.
Another observation: Many of you know I'm in the car business and I have discovered something relating to GM's paint. 2007 and 2008 Chevy Tahoes and GMC Yukons painted Dark Blue (don't know the mix code or GM's formal name for that color) have a mismatch problem between the front clip and the rest of the vehicle. I have noticed this on many of these models.
Now why I think these thoughts are relevant:
It is a known fact that '69 Camaros were painted in two sections of the plant (proven by the hockey stick stripe being 1/2 paint-1/2 decal, and that many cars exhibit a noticeable difference in the body alignment of the fender/door match-up). I would tend to think that the car in question here would have a high percentage of the possibility of a mismatch in color between the front clip and the rest of the body due to the Special Paint applied during assembly. Those type colors, the orchids, the silvers, the light blues, basically any light color metallics are tough to match, and unless they are painted together at the same time, usually have a difference in shades. It would be quite helpful to view and scrutinize any original photos of the sides of the car. There are good supporting theories to both sides here, and both sides are considered to be experts in this field. It is tough to argue with the original owner, but I've seen some things in this business/ hobby that are "unexplainable"! And like the old saying goes "There are usually three sides to every story; your's, mine, and somewhere in the middle is the truth".

[68l30]

There are a few important pieces of paper, old photos, and a first owner, selling dealer remembering the car, and local history on a very interesting Z/28. I would bet 95% of everyone out there would kill to have this type of info on their car. The other 5% are just never content. What's the point of further discussion? Right, wrong or otherwise. Why continue....???? What is there to gain in beating this to death? Money? Don't spend yours if your not sure. There are many out there who are, and many that aren't. Why can't we enjoy a cool car ?

Surprised no one is debating the gloss on the rear tail panel and why the spoiler and tail pan don't match in shade... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]


BIG

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are a few important pieces of paper, old photos, and a first owner, selling dealer remembering the car, and local history on a very interesting Z/28. I would bet 95% of everyone out there would kill to have this type of info on their car. What's the point of further discussion? Right, wrong or otherwise why continue....???? What is there to gain in beating this to death? Money? Don't spend yours if your not comfortable. There are many out there who are, and many that aren't. Why can't we enjoy a cool car ?

BIG


</div></div>because jerry reputation as a Camaro expert is at stake here . why do you think his buddy william keep posting he did not see any EO paint when they looked at the car ????

[KENNY PASCOE]

Well put Big Steve . This car has been drug thru the mud for no apparent reason . A classic example of a real and interesting car getting a bad rap . As far as everyones opinion on a value it comes down to what someone is willing to pay . Saw it in person this past weekend and all docs and pics of car were real and authentic . A neat car for sure ... KP

[bkhpah]

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This is another Grabiak - - special paint 68 Z/28 in what I believe is Omaha Orange. This one is original paint. The wheels were said to have been factory orange as well. I found no evidence to disprove that. On a side note, is there anyone that has any pictures of 1969 Camaros with purple primer? I have never seen that and I would love to see some examples...BKH

[clem]

OO that is a truck only color and mrs clem had a 76 454 caprice that was factory painted a truck only light metallic green color.

[clem]

this picture is me running a autocross at greengate mall back in the day. those are genuine real mag wheels I used to use on my corvettes

[bcmiller]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this picture is me running a autocross at greengate mall back in the day. those are genuine real mag wheels I used to use on my corvettes </div></div>

Does the color of the car in that picture look EO to you? Be honest.

Could part of the &quot;disappointment&quot; with the color be because it was not as dark as expected?

Are there any original docs from this car from 1968 that show the name of the color ordered?

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcmiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this picture is me running a autocross at greengate mall back in the day. those are genuine real mag wheels I used to use on my corvettes </div></div>

Does the color of the car in that picture look EO to you? Be honest.

Could part of the &quot;disappointment&quot; with the color be because it was not as dark as expected?

Are there any original docs from this car from 1968 that show the name of the color ordered?

</div></div>sure does not look like cortez silver the 69 camaro color. http://www.69pace.com/paint1969cortezsilver.htm

[bcmiller]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcmiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this picture is me running a autocross at greengate mall back in the day. those are genuine real mag wheels I used to use on my corvettes </div></div>

Does the color of the car in that picture look EO to you? Be honest.

Could part of the &quot;disappointment&quot; with the color be because it was not as dark as expected?

Are there any original docs from this car from 1968 that show the name of the color ordered?

</div></div>sure does not look like cortez silver the 69 camaro color. http://www.69pace.com/paint1969cortezsilver.htm </div></div>

You didn't answer the questions...