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I think the cars with non-original drivetrains (motor, trans, rears) should be called mechanical rebodies. It is great to preserve the vin number and buy in at a price thats affordable with a color thats seldom seen, but at the end of the day all you have is a vin number. In my opinion (and I'm others will disagree) the market becomes very nervous about investing when you're buying a car that is not original. A sponsor here has been trying to sell a rebodied Yenko Camaro for at least a yr, another member has been trying to sell a restamped motor '69 COPO for more than a yr, Reggie Jackson's green ZL1 damn near sold for $150k at BJ 2 yrs back... I could keep going and going.
This is a great car, one with history, but where is its place in this dismal economy?
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Dan, Just for the record this car isn't a rebody or a restamp, so where is the comparison? As Marlin posted "this is 1 of 2 4spd,p/s Gobi cars". Seems really rare if you ask me.
But thats my 2 cents, Joe
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Justbad Joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan, Just for the record this car isn't a rebody or a restamp, so where is the comparison? As Marlin posted "this is 1 of 2 4spd,p/s Gobi cars". Seems really rare if you ask me.
But thats my 2 cents, Joe </div></div> Point taken Joe... and my intent was not to draw false conclusions about the car. I was future pacing, stating that during the restoration, the motor and trans would be restamped, block broached and built correctly. At that point, there would be an even comparison. I have different feelings about non-original cars, super car, 1 of 2, etc. Like others have done here, I voiced my opinion. I still think its a cool car.
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enio, are you planning on bidding on this car at all or are you 100% out after the inspection?
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Frank, i have a call with the bank on monday - im not sure yet.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frank, i have a call with the bank on monday - im not sure yet. </div></div>
Eddie, is there something with the car that the rest of us don't know about that the bank needs to let you know about on Monday? I thought this auction was determined by the highest bidder? Did that change? Please don't be offended, but I find it strange that you are so hard on a car that you just may end up owning after this auction. I know if I were hot on this car I would be praising it because of all of the cool aspects of it. Here are a couple of your quotes. By the way, could you post some of the pictures? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ill provide some info tomorrow on what i believe is the real picture of the car condition (its not pretty) etc. </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im sure whoever is the high bid and did not look at the car would be very very dissapointed. In fact withdrawing from the bid would be a likely scenario..... Depends on what you want to do with the car - i reconfirmed with the bank - there is no warranty book or protecto - unless the previous owner has it stuffed away somewhere. And considering the fact its been apart completely - the matching VIN's is a large risk as well. I would put the car in the mid 30's max...with alot of work and $$ if you want to restore the car back to the original...if not a race car would be a better option.</div></div>
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My, this thread gotten folks going. Damn Frankie. You wanted a good 15 page discussion on supercars again. I think we got one.
I have different issues to throw my 2 cents in on, but the first being again that the bank did a very poor job representing this car. To avoid all this speculation about what's there, or not, they should have followed some folks advise, and had it independently inspected to verify what components are there, and those not. Informed bidding can not take place without full disclosure on the car. Now Ed's the only one who knows for sure what's there, and he had to do it on his own dime. It would be great if he shared that with everybody, but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. Now comes a question if the hidden VIN nbrs there. Can't find that out with out taking off the heater box. Now this can get pretty sticky. Most likely it's there, but if it's been changed, the bank now has a real issue as they are selling a bogus car, that has no collateral value, and might have a criminal past. Again, it would have been in the banks best interest, to have done their due dilligence, including hireing someone with knowledge of what they were looking at, to give them a comprehensive report so people could have an informed bid. Now...There are a couple for kinds of folks who like deuces. Those who feel that cars are for investing, and those who just like the damn things because they're cool. This cars for the latter group. Those of you who want investment quality cars, just move along, and let the guys who love deuces have their shot at this one. This one isn't a rolling art piece. This is a (presumed) real deal Yenko deuce. One of 25 in GB that needs a good running LT/1, m21 trans, 4.10 gear in a 12 bolt housing cause you're not gonna find a CBW..ever, and a happy owner who loves her for what she is. And I only know of 1 deuce, that was ever restamped on the blk. To assume that the restoration progression of a deuce is pre determined to go that way is probably an overstatement. You don't slip much past Marlin, or folks involved with deuces. Now personally, I'd like to see the bank stop the auction, go back, and do it right. This has been a friggin circus. In finishing up the rant, some of the cars that have brought very good money were not nbrs matching cars. And that was known. Anyway you look at it, there's only 175 of them. Hang in there Frankie, only 10 more pages. |
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I just don't understand what the bank did wrong here, I explained above a banks usual approach to selling a repossessed car. It is up to the buyer to do his homework as I already stated. Yes, Ed did his homework and has pics and info, but he is not obligated to share it as he paid for it. With that said, from what little we know about this car, I HIGHLY doubt it is a re-body. I don't know for sure, but I bet the hidden vins are there. There are to many indicators to say otherwise. I said it before and I will say it again, someone has a fair shot at owning a Deuce for once. I agree with you Schonye that the buyer for this car needs to be a car guy and not someone who looks at these cars as strictly an investment. It's anyone's game. Be willing to step up to the plate, due your due diligence, and most of all, don't believe the hype.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the cars with non-original drivetrains (motor, trans, rears) should be called mechanical rebodies. </div></div>
WOW! Are you remotely serious?
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