E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[1969z280]

In the State of Indiana, all out of state titles require an inspection by a police officer or employee of the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. They check the title and match it to the VIN tag on the car. They run that VIN nationally to establish that it is not stolen, had liens applied to it, etc.

No one checks the hidden VINs on the car. They simply use the VIN tag. I commend Bergy for his honesty and this open discussion of his car. It amazes me how many people want to defraud his process and tell him what to do with his propery.

Bergy, I'm looking forward to seeing you make some passe at the Super Car Reunion!

[vfitom]

Ditto to the above post by SYC........If a theft cop just checks the dash/public VIN and does not check the C-VIN stampings, then he did not do his job properly. I would like to see some pics posted by Bergy of the top and underside of the public VIN plate and surrounding area.

[1969z280]

Why?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why? </div></div>

Because something monkeyed with 25 years ago can look just as old as something 35 years ago. Not inferring one direction or the other, but if someone visually looks at something and concludes that its original and another person looks at the same thing and concludes otherwise - which person is right?

These discussions become circular after awhile, especially without anything materially new coming to light. The info and history thus far is circumstantial, the teardown itself should help clear up the story. After 37 pages..... yada yada...., its about being patient - Bergy has other things in life ya know!

[1969z280]

Hey, I agree he has other things in life. I don't understand why he's being pounded on by all kinds of people (members and non-members) to satiate their curiosity about a car in which they have no financial interest.

I've been supportive of Bergy's position throughout this thread. I've thanked him for sharing the information. I'm curious about the car. I'm not envious or trying to questions his character or motives as so many others appear to be doing.

Yada, yada, yada... I just asked Why to &quot;vfitom&quot; asking for pictures of the areas surrounding the VIN tag. I think this incessant pounding and requests for additional information from the guy is ridiculous! JMHO, Ed

[bergy]

These are all conclusions of law that would require presentation of evidence combined with examination of prior case law. I respect all of the opinions/conclusions preseneted here - I'm not a lawyer so I can't add much. I have had our attorneys take a look at it, but the facts are still evolving. We're pretty much repeating the same thins over and over now. We can be certain, though, that someday someone will develop a method of stamping cowls (they did it in 1969 - but they'll never figure out how to do it in 2010 - right?), and then this whole &quot;pre-eminance of cowl stamps&quot; theory will fly out the window.
This thread has been very helpful to me and I am indebted to everyone who has helped me write the &quot;book&quot; on 616414. Of course, all of the comments, PMs, etc. will forever be part of the story along with the comments of past owners. My investment is now down to nearly $375.00 per page! I have nothing to add; just a lot of rabbit trails and research to pursue. I won't be checking in, but if anyone needs/wants to get in touch - my email is on file here. I appreciate it when we can disagree without being disagreeable. It's a great site - when we meet, the beer's on me! Blessings, Bergy

[Canuck]

HiHorse

Great perspective and the best one so far!

[RAIIIT/A]

Back in the mid 80's I worked with a guy named Mark(he was the manager of the tire store that I worked at) that had '69 Camaro. The car was in Z/28 trim with a small block and a 4 speed and was a very nice car. Come to find out the car was originally an SS396/375 that he cloned into a Z/28 that he would autocross(car was stiff and lowered) once in a while. One day he cleaned out his garage at home and brought a bunch of stuff to the shop to throw away. One of the items was the original 396 short block that came out of the Camaro that he set aside for the scrap man..... yes he threw away the numbers matching 396/375 block for his car. He said it was still good but was .060 over. I was gonna grab it but didn't want to put it in the trunk of my '70 Monte Carlo.

[snydes]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RAIIIT/A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes he threw away the numbers matching 396/375 block for his car.</div></div>

Ouch!!!!

[COPO]

All of the discussion about ZL-1 got me thinking about this car. Just curious what was the final outcome of the car in question here. Did it turn out to be a real Yenko?