E-Bay '69 Yenko Disguised As a Z-28 Clone!

[bergy]

AAGGHHHH!!!!! Hoffa's in the trunk!

[al8apex]

LOL

Does he have any paperwork in his pockets?

[camarojoe]

Funny thing to me is, some photographs of this car in it's " right now" condition would easily show a firewall replacement, as well as all the other assorted COPO/Yenko specific details mentioned (but not shown) I know it's bergy's car and he can post or not post whatever he wants, but I just see all this as a bunch of he said/she said jargon with no photos to verify what EITHER side is claiming. A few good detail pics of this car in it's current condition would likely silence all skeptics, including myself.

I honestly DO have a feeling this is the original yenko body sans firewall if it has all those other details currently, but I haven't seen any of it, only heard of it. The bodyshop pic looked promising, but all it really showed was a door that was green. If it really has all the other details mentioned in it's current state, in unrestored condition, I'd say that would convince me way more than any stack of sworn statements ever would.

[SuperNovaSS]

I do agree that it is a large claim and I do think it deserves and answer. I also agree that the claim should not have been made if Bergy was not prepared to back it up. It will be difficult, if not impossible to come close to proving this without disassembling the car.

That said, does it help to ask the same question every other post when no new information has come to light? No, it doesn't. Bergy is the one who added to this thread to say he bought the car to begin with. That goes a long way to show what his intentions are. Add that to the fact that he was also very forthcoming on the 69 RS COPO he recently bought off Ebay, did the footwork on, and restored and I think his intentions are to save a significant car if the facts prove the car is worth saving as a Yenko.

No matter what, at the end of the day the car is still a 69 Camaro with a 4 speed that you could run the piss out of. Isn't that what its all about anyway?

I parted out lots of cars in the 90's. Growing up in Southern CA, if a car had rust in the quarters, trunk, or more than one floor pan, it was a parts car. Doing quarters was just not something that was done there. Lots has changed since then.

Also, in the 90's I would not have known COPO attributes if they were staring me in the face. BE rear? I didn't even know where the codes were. Large sway bar? Must have been a hot rodder. I passed on my 69 Harrell Camaro the first time around because I did not know what to look for.

What I am getting at here is this may or may not be the real Yenko body. I hope it is but the facts will tell the true story and that is what Bergy is after from what I can tell. According to Jim, the car was parted out. That shows how much someone cared that it was a Yenko at the time. If the hulk that was left was founf to be buildable down the line, I don't think anyone cared or even knew it was a big block body, let alone a Yenko. For a Z/28 clone/hotrod does it really matter if the VIN is a 6 cylinder, V8, or state issued VIN? To some yes, but I doubt it mattered to the builder of this car. Maybe the title of the other car was salvaged and they used this VIN? Yes, that is a possibility.

I am sure Bergy will update us when he has more facts and he is ready. He sure has been keeping us up to date to this point. For all who don't think this is the case, look at this thread. It is now 26 pages long!

Wow, I didn't plan to type this much,


Jason

[Atuckman]

bring the car to the MCACN...it could be analyzed and discussed at length.

some of us could really learn from the experience

only half kidding [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

[COPO140]

Camarojoe,
I want to start off by saying I do not intend on putting you on the defensive but why do you believe the body may be original to 616414?
Here are a couple of things that do not make it plausable for me:
If the firewall in fact was replaced because of an accident and assuming the subframe under the car is original to 616414, how do you explain that? I have seen many cars over the years and if a car is hit hard enough to warrant replacing the firewall, how does the subframe survive and still be complete and usable especially with the stabalizer bar still intact and usable? I don't but it. In addition to that, whenever I have seen a car that has been hit so hard that the firewall needed to be replaced, there is usually so much other structural damage to the car that it is just not worth fixing. I have been hit head on in a 69 camaro and there was damage to the firewall so I know what else is affected. It includes the subframe, floor pans, rockers, complete door jams and roof not to mention other areas. The accident theory does not add up and neither would rust.
Bergy has also stated that he has found ralley green paint on the back half of the car. Were are the photos? These would certainly lend credence to the claims but still would be inconclusive. I for one would like to see RG paint on the back half. It's as simple as looking under the filler panel. The claims have been made on RG paint so lets see the photos bergy. Thanks

[Tracker1]

&quot;I have seen many cars over the years and if a car is hit hard enough to warrent replacing the firewall, how does the subframe survive and still be complete and usable especially with the stabalizer bar still intact and usable?&quot;

I believe Bergy said in a previous post that there is evidence of the sub-frame having been pulled a little wider than it should be - discovered when he tried to remove the cross-member. So somebody had a go at it. Some chain, an oak tree and a good 4WD - boom you're done. Repaint, re-install sub-frame.

Also, there are no absolutes in accidents. The survival of front suspension components in a car that is T-boned just ahead of the windshield post is hardly implausible.

I do not believe there is any amount of evidence that will convince you that this car is &quot;mostly 616414&quot;. You just won't believe it. And that's your right, your opinion and you are entitled to it. Ain't that America. (and Canada).

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperNovaSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... I passed on my 69 Harrell Camaro the first time around because I did not know what to look for.


Wow, I didn't plan to type this much,


Jason </div></div>

You might want to start another thread on this statement! You can be Bergy this time, [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

[old5.0]

Just to fuel the fire, I know of a 69 big block Chevelle that was run off a bridge a few years back. The firewall was pushed back, but the frame was undamaged. Depends on the angle of the hit. Improbable? Maybe. Impossible? No.

[firez]

Worked at many accident scenes with new cars and oh yes the firewall is often crushed. This is with all the new safety built into cars today.