Joel Rosen paperwork and NICB report look!!!!

[x Baldwin Motion]

That was very kind of you to go to all that trouble for your long time friend. It is sad that he do not reimburse you for the documents and ad them to the sale price. Hopefully the new owner will desire them and pay you for your time. Good Luck and thanks for the explanation.
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[Yenko Bart]

BULL!!! There was no mention of the bait and switch on paper work before the deal. Just a reminder always beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing.

[67nickeycamaro]

The hell there wasnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bob who bought the car was aware of it when I was selling the car and was informed by me when I was selling the car that if he went around me and purchased the car from Rocky (after he told rocky he didnt like me and didnt want to deal with me)he wasnt getting it because the A@%$^&amp;$%$ offered Rocky a price and then dropped 15K when Rocky accepted it and i offered BOB the paper work for 5K which was still 10K less than he offered.The guy that bought the car knows who i am he can step to me when ever he sees me at a show.But beware the wolf might just be in sheeps clothing?HAHA

[Mr70]

I'm sincere when I ask this,but what's to stop him from just sending Joel 2K today for his own personal documentation?

[Charley Lillard]

For the 5k you also get the NCIB report.

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the 5k you also get the NCIB report. </div></div>

How much for the entire true story of the paper work? Were you hired to broker the car? I don't really want answers at this point the story has too much anger and negativism for me. If it were my car I would just print this thread for free.

Sorry it's not a happy ending.

[ssl78396]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x Baldwin Motion</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the 5k you also get the NCIB report. </div></div>

How much for the entire true story of the paper work? Were you hired to broker the car? I don't really want answers at this point the story has too much anger and negativism for me. If it were my car I would just print this thread for free.

Sorry it's not a happy ending. </div></div>
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[67 Nova Boy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the 5k you also get the NCIB report. </div></div>

Ok...I'm A Nova dude and have no Ideal what an NCIB report is!!

Enlighten me Charlie please!! LOL

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67 Nova Boy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the 5k you also get the NCIB report. </div></div>

Ok...I'm A Nova dude and have no Ideal what an NCIB report is!! </div></div>


It's complicated......





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[njsteve]

NICB is the National Insurance Crime Bureau. They have microfiche shipping records from most but not all of the assembly plants going back to the early 1900's. There is no &quot;report&quot; per se, really it is a one page document that shows that a particular VIN was shipped to a particular dealer code on a specific date.

The main use for these records is for vehicle fraud - if someone makes up a new VIN tag and the police suspect something, they can contact NICB and they will search that VIN to see if it ever existed. For example if you &quot;find&quot; a previously unlocated 71 hemicuda convertible and sell it for a couple million dollars and then there is a lawsuit over whether it's real or not - the VIN can be searched and if the engine code is different in the NICB records, that will prove the car had a fake VIN recently made for it. For example: BS27R1B100000 (hemi) versus BS27N1B100000 (383).

The real use if for much more modern cars in chop shop/auto theft investigations. There is a numerical &quot;check digit&quot; in post 1980's car VINs that is created by some crazy algorithym that chop shoppers don't have, so if they try to make a new VIN tag for a $250,000 Mercedes they are shipping overseas, the officials will check the VIN against NICB records and if the numbers don't match, there is a problem.

The unintended value to collectors in the NICB records is that you can learn what dealership a car was originally shipped to, such as Yenko, Baldwin, etc.

Unfortunately, the records are not available to the general public. It would actually be a goldmine to NICB if they would only see the light. Almost like Pontiac Historical Services selling the microfiche Pontiac invoice copies. I think a great deal of people would pay $50, $100, etc., to know what dealer their car came from originally, especially if it was thought to be from a specialty dealership.