Stolen 71 Challenger found after almost 30 years

[MultiMopars]

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This also brings to mind recent posts about the strength of the NICB in recovering stolen cars. Although the posts were more about IDing rebodies. This just goes to show you that there are plenty of holes in THEIR system that prevent them from finding stolen cars that are still running around WITH their ORIGINAL V.I.N. plates in place. If this is the case how in the world do we think they are ever going to be able to truely identify a rebodied car that was never stolen or had any stolen parts used?

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If the Challenger was stolen and then went from collector to collector without being registered, then it would be very difficult to locate the car by any police officer simply running the VIN.
If it was an insured car and reported stolen originally then NICB would have the theft in their database.

If it was not insured at the time of the theft then NICB wouldn't get the info to put into their database.

The lesson here is keep your car properly insured if it is in storage.

The good thing is that since the car wasn't insured for the theft at the time, it went back to the original owner and not the insurance company.

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This is the point I am trying to make. The NICB was created to hopefully aid in recovering stolen cars and to share info with law enforcement. There is OBVIOUSLY a big hole in the system. Computers for large agencies like state DMVs have been around for a long time. How difficult can it be to simply enter ANY V.I.N. of a stolen car into a shared data base regardless of being and INSURED car or not? Even if there is no other shared data base other than NICB different states could certainly link to a list of stolen V.I.N. reports originating in THEIR state. Law enforcements FIRST responsibility is to the owner of the car that was violated and it being insured or noy is not their concern.

[ChrisS]

"This story is the kind of thing that makes people THINK that an items like a fender tag has some kind of LEGAL signifigance. I can assure you that it does NOT."


New York Law



§ 421. Sale of a motor vehicle, trailer or part thereof with changed
identification number.



1. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling motor vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, shall be presumed to have determined and to know the original vehicle identification numbers and special identification numbers on any motor vehicle, trailers or parts thereof purchased or sold by such person, both at the time of purchase and sale.



2. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling motor
vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, who sells or offers for sale a
motor vehicle, trailer, or part thereof, the original vehicle
identification number or special identification number of which shall have been destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed, without having complied with regulations promulgated by the commissioner, shall be guilty of a class E felony.



3. Any person, other than a person engaged in the business of buying
or selling motor vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, who knowingly
sells or offers for sale a motor vehicle, trailer, or part thereof, the
original vehicle identification number or special identification number of which shall have been destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed shall be guilty of a class E felony.



4. For the purposes of this article, the term "original identification number" shall mean any number embossed, engraved, etched, affixed to a label, sticker or plate or similarly marked on any part of a motor vehicle, trailer or vehicle part which is assigned by the manufacturer for the purpose of identification of that particular motor vehicle, trailer or vehicle part and the location of which number is made available to the public.

[buddy whittington]

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"This story is the kind of thing that makes people THINK that an items like a fender tag has some kind of LEGAL signifigance. I can assure you that it does NOT."


New York Law



§ 421. Sale of a motor vehicle, trailer or part thereof with changed
identification number.



1. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling motor vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, shall be presumed to have determined and to know the original vehicle identification numbers and special identification numbers on any motor vehicle, trailers or parts thereof purchased or sold by such person, both at the time of purchase and sale.



2. Any person engaged in the business of buying or selling motor
vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, who sells or offers for sale a
motor vehicle, trailer, or part thereof, the original vehicle
identification number or special identification number of which shall have been destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed, without having complied with regulations promulgated by the commissioner, shall be guilty of a class E felony.



3. Any person, other than a person engaged in the business of buying
or selling motor vehicles, trailers, or parts thereof, who knowingly
sells or offers for sale a motor vehicle, trailer, or part thereof, the
original vehicle identification number or special identification number of which shall have been destroyed, removed, altered, defaced or so covered as to be effectually concealed shall be guilty of a class E felony.



4. For the purposes of this article, the term "original identification number" shall mean any number embossed, engraved, etched, affixed to a label, sticker or plate or similarly marked on any part of a motor vehicle, trailer or vehicle part which is assigned by the manufacturer for the purpose of identification of that particular motor vehicle, trailer or vehicle part and the location of which number is made available to the public.

[/ QUOTE ]LOOKS LIKE THE LAW SEES IT AS ANY NUMBER EMBOSSED OR STAMPED.. A DOOR STICKER OR FENDER TAG WOULD APPLY HERE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, FALSELY ALTERING THE OPTION TAG TO INCREASE VALUE AND THEN SELLING IT AS REAL IS OUTRIGHT FRAUD! <font color="blue"> <font color="blue"> </font>

[buddy whittington]

fact.a new fender tag was put on this car. fact . it was not the true way this car was optioned when new. how many more are there? who else paid for it? i have the orig photos and proof that it was different! another fact, theese people moved a car with a RED FLAG ALERT on it. they knew what they were doing. i emailed govier back in 98-9 with the vin and warned about the theft two different times, plus called 2 or 3 more! a computer forensic specialist foud the entry in NCIB data base. the ncic is for current entrys. afterwards they are purged into the ncib for statistical purposes for the FBI.the story refers to fender tags to show how a car can become altered for many reasons; ex; add a sun roof , or super trac pack, shaker hood!!! and WAY UP goes the value of that car! point is a 30k car can get a nice 30k boost with some nice options. __bottom line_$$there is so much that did not make the news!! Buddy Whittington <font color="blue"> </font>

[old5.0]

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fact.a new fender tag was put on this car. fact . it was not the true way this car was optioned when new. how many more are there? who else paid for it? i have the orig photos and proof that it was different! another fact, theese people moved a car with a RED FLAG ALERT on it. they knew what they were doing. i emailed govier back in 98-9 with the vin and warned about the theft two different times, plus called 2 or 3 more! a computer forensic specialist foud the entry in NCIB data base. the ncic is for current entrys. afterwards they are purged into the ncib for statistical purposes for the FBI.the story refers to fender tags to show how a car can become altered for many reasons; ex; add a sun roof , or super trac pack, shaker hood!!! and WAY UP goes the value of that car! point is a 30k car can get a nice 30k boost with some nice options. __bottom line_$$there is so much that did not make the news!! Buddy Whittington <font color="blue"> </font>

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Spill the beans. Sites like this are a great way to get the real story out to people who actually give a damn about the cars. Unless you're unable to for legal reasons.

By the way, I'm glad you found the old girl. Awesome work on your part.

[buddy whittington]

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Christopherson, sounds like a snake, glad to see this car cwent back home, would love to know the options and color of this car, I looked at a gold 6 pack challenger years ago that had bean messed with, gold and black, it had no fender tag at the time but had the shaker hood, you could see the tag had bean removed day's before I seen the car? scared me. Rich

[/ QUOTE ] ill get the info out when i get a little more time ...U NO .... holidays, BUDDY WHITTINGTON