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Old 07-16-2009, 08:05 PM
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What was your MPH? That will tell the tale of how good your engine is...also, you need your timing in a lot earlier...all in by 2k would be nice. Carb stuff...Eric would be the man to talk to, the bog could be from a number of things, wrong jetting, float level, fuel slosh, etc...

Also, if you value that KQ at all, get it the heck out of there...I've seen people twist rear ends on drag radials and even street tires...rare, but it happens...you have to realize, the track is prepped to hook, so you're gonna find the weak link in your drivetrain, I promise!
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:27 PM
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... but it happens...you have to realize, the track is prepped to hook, so you're gonna find the weak link in your drivetrain, I promise!...

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Very true, just ask COPO Pete when he was testing his COPO Camaro / Chevelle / Nova for MCR 10 years ago - the rear broke in the Chevelle! It didn't hurt the tube, but like Rob says - it happens!
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:31 PM
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I think I remember when COPO Pete broke that Chevelle 12-bolt. If I remember correctly, the axle tube actually ripped out of the cast center section. It was an ugly picture.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:44 PM
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Hmmm, lots of good info to digest here.

To answer a few questions... MPH was 102 - 104 every time. 60 foot time was between 2.10 and 2.20.

My brother tried one pass, launched it at 4000... and the bog was almost gone... 60 foot time was 1.90, but unfortunately, the clutch linkage came apart after shifting to 2nd gear. (the cheapest weakest link I can think of), so no idea what 1/4 mile time would have been.

I thought about going back to street tires, maybe next time out I'll give those a shot. Seems safer on the drivetrain at least. The slicks had about 13 psi in them, and i didn't bother burning out after the first time... to try and get them a little less sticky.

As for timing, I didn't realize you want the curve in that low... I always check it at 3000 - 3500 RPM. I'll have to check it at 2000... and figure out where to pick up some MSD weights and/or springs.

And thats quite frightening about COPO Pete... which is a big reason why I've been considering pulling the rear and storing it until (and if) I restore the car. I've also considered selling the KQ and using the $$$ to build a bigger motor... since the motor and trans are long gone... but I'm not ready to do that just yet.
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:42 PM
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your mph seems low. You should be able to run a few mph more. The bigger picture is your 60 foot which is terrible for slicks... and killing your et.

As for breaking your diff, just think how you would feel if an axle broke it's .02 cent c-clip and you took out your rear 1/4 panel. Buy another diff and put a c clip elim kit on it and drive it like it ain't yours!!!!!

p.s. I'd think you should be able to get your mph up a few ticks too.....L78 cam?
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According to this calculator, (1320/mph=ET) which works out very close on my drag car 1320/114mph=11.48... I run 11.5 even, your car should be good for 12.7's or so. In regard to your rearend, I'm no expert but I know you either want to spin a little or have your clutch slip a little. Maybe the higher rpms would make you spin a little but then again, maybe they'd break something. I've heard arguments that lower rpm launches break more parts. Personally, I like to spin a little just to make sure I break nothing. Slicks are the fastest way to find the weak link in your driveline so, I'd agree on a good set of street tires as insurance.
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Hmmm, lots of good info to digest here.

To answer a few questions... MPH was 102 - 104 every time. 60 foot time was between 2.10 and 2.20.

My brother tried one pass, launched it at 4000... and the bog was almost gone... 60 foot time was 1.90, but unfortunately, the clutch linkage came apart after shifting to 2nd gear. (the cheapest weakest link I can think of), so no idea what 1/4 mile time would have been.


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I can tell ya, that woulda been a low-13, *maybe* high twelve at best, assuming you're out the back door @ 104...that's almost the exact same splits our Camaro ran when we first put it on track duty. Think it went 13.20s @ 104 with a 1.94 60' my first year @ Stanton. Anyway...

If you're 60' time with slicks is just 2.10-2.20, something is seriously wrong...that's manual trans-street tire range...and looking at your trap & weight I'm gonna say you're right around 300hp, which tells me you need to really look over that 396. Timing...you need to put a light on it and see when/where it stops advancing...it may be all in by 2,000, but if you've only checked it at 3,500 we won't know for sure. To get to your high-12s mark, you're gonna have to have a *really* efficient run (and car!) to get there on a regular basis at the current HP & weight...

But, it's all doable, and every car has to start somewhere...
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:25 AM
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Stop racing it before you break something. Just do a real nice Day-2 street set-up and run people from a roll if you need to race. At this point, from what you are telling us I think your whole set up needs to be looked over from soup to nuts just to see how you have things set up. If I were you, I would build a drag car like BBBenny has done. Pretty much bullet proof, safe, alot of fun and reasonably fast and economical!
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No, No, No Sammy, you got it all wrong - keep racing until you break something, then you've found your weak link. Just make sure it's not the rear!

This car just needs dialed in, it's running in my Deuce territory. I've run 2.1 60's, 13.5ET with 105+/- at the big end - on E70 whitewalls
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:54 AM
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my street car

atco early 1980's

5800-6000RPM launch 11.22's 110-118mph


Im re-doing my chevelle now keeping it as a day2 car.
M&W bars, tow tabs, mechanical tach etc.


newest add-on from ebay...

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