Pontiac may be dead by monday..

[442w30]

What car took over the plant from the Camaro in Canada?

Certainly there was more profit in that than building an aging F-body whose combined sales didn't match the Mustang's. Stopping the Camaro wasn't such a dumb decision from a business standpoint.

To another post . . . I don't think the general public really cares about what engine is in whichever GM car. They want to be able to get from Point A to Point B. GM's problems really started in the early-1970s with poor quality and poor gas mileage in a time when there was an oil embargo. And - admit it - the musclecars we love so much aren't really so great other than in our minds.

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What car took over the plant from the Camaro in Canada?

Certainly there was more profit in that than building an aging F-body whose combined sales didn't match the Mustang's. Stopping the Camaro wasn't such a dumb decision from a business standpoint.

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The original Plant was demolished. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Therese_Assembly

I am sure that with truck sales being what they were the shareholders just loved GM's decision at the time. Within three years of the decision however-they figured out quick the real cost of lost brand loyalty and the Camaro concept was out for the media to gaze upon.

Why?? after 02' Mustang sales increased with the Camaro/Firebird defections to Ford. Chrysler was watching too so the Challenger soon returned to fill the leftover market segment.

Real expensive lesson if you ask me and since the Camaro is back - the original decision in 20/20 hindsight must have been bad after all- otherwise why is the car back?

Same mistake is coming pertaining to Pontiac and that buying segment should the brand be killed. Likely that they will not buy GM in the future as they too will feel betrayed.

[442w30]

I don't necessarily buy that prospective buyers went directly to Ford.

I also don't think the Challenger is a direct competitor to either of them. It's akin to having an Eclispe being a competitor to the Mustang - kinda, yes, but kinda, no.

The Challenger, to me, is a 2-door Charger, FWIW.

[Chevy454]

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I don't necessarily buy that prospective buyers went directly to Ford.

I also don't think the Challenger is a direct competitor to either of them. It's akin to having an Eclispe being a competitor to the Mustang - kinda, yes, but kinda, no.

The Challenger, to me, is a 2-door Charger, FWIW.

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I disagree with that...I know some guys, in this podunk town of just 600 people, that were left without a car [f-body] and went to the Mustang...and soon their truck purchases followed...as did their wive's car(s).

And I don't see *how* the Chally isn't a competitor to the F-body/Mustang...the target audience is the same, and everyone is comparing the 3.

[442w30]

Mustang product planners discovered that when Camaro buyers couldn't afford insurance, they didn't go to a V6 Camaro - they went to a pickup truck.

Look at my Eclipse analogy again . . . the Challenger is quite a different car than the Mustang. The fact that it looks like a ponycar and it's inspired by one doesn't necessarily make it one, regardless to whom it's targeted. :twocents:

[CC Rider]

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I disagree with that...I know some guys, in this podunk town of just 600 people, that were left without a car [f-body] and went to the Mustang...and soon their truck purchases followed...as did their wive's car(s).


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That is EXACTLY what I did. Since the Camaro was discontinued, my once ALL CHEVY driveway now includes a Ford, Dodge, and a Nissan.

[The Dude]

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What car took over the plant from the Camaro in Canada?

Certainly there was more profit in that than building an aging F-body whose combined sales didn't match the Mustang's. Stopping the Camaro wasn't such a dumb decision from a business standpoint.

To another post . . . I don't think the general public really cares about what engine is in whichever GM car. They want to be able to get from Point A to Point B. GM's problems really started in the early-1970s with poor quality and poor gas mileage in a time when there was an oil embargo. And - admit it - the musclecars we love so much aren't really so great other than in our minds.

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Exactly. If GM made the decision to keep making engines for each brand they wouldve went bankrupt 20 years ago.