Survivor ?????

[HiHorse]

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original paint, original panels, born with driveline.
That to me is the ONLY definition of a survivor.

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I would also include Vin must match hidden ones, and trim Tag must be original to VIN and instrument cluster original to VIN

[firstgenaddict]

I think it is in 3 of 4 catergories but I may be mistaken... I have not been into vettes in near 20 years...

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From the stuffy vettedudes with matching cap and shirt site;



Getting SURVIVOR® Certified documents the standard for unrestored vehicles. It means that a panel of judges have certified that the car meets these requirements:

*Is over 20 years old.
*Can pass a road test over 20 miles
*Remains over 50% unrestored, un-refinished, or unaltered.
*Retains finishes good enough to use as a color guide for restoration of a car just like it

Judges inspect only four components: Exterior, Interior, Engine Compartment and Chassis. Cars must pass at least three of these four categories in order to become SURVIVOR Certified.
http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.php?link=survivor

Those standards are extremely lax in my opinion. I don't believe many here would call cars in that category "unrestored"!

[firstgenaddict]

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From the stuffy vettedudes with matching cap and shirt site;

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What he said....

[napa68]

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From the stuffy vettedudes with matching cap and shirt site;

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What he said....

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Easy now!!!!!!!!!!!!

[427.060]

One thing that bothers me is when the "survivor" has been all but disassembled and cleaned/detailed like the so called 1970 Benchmark Chevelle. I don't have a problem with cleaning and detailing an original car but there is s stopping point.
James

[Salvatore]

I agree with you guys but you know as well as I do that as time goes on the rules get more and more lax! Just like letting your kids stay out later and later on the weekends. Pretty soon they are coming in at 2 in the morning A "survivor" means to me that it survived! There are less and less of these cars out there so the rules have to become more lax for any participation. I am upset that the second owner of my nova thought there was a knock in the motor and took it apart. He told me that he found nothing but carbon from sitting. Maybe should have taken it down the California free way for a few miles before taking the motor out. What a dope!

[HiHorse]

I can see why a lot of cars get restored, there is a lot of influence/pressure at the shows for mint cars. I for one can appreciate a car that has not been restored. I have left my '69 435HP vette unrestored on purpose and when I take it to shows people ask when the car will receive the restoration it deserves. I've also been told to sell the car to someone that will put money into it. I am the lone ranger and you need thick skin.

[firstgenaddict]

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Those standards are extremely lax in my opinion. I don't believe many here would call cars in that category "unrestored"!

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You may call these standards LAX however if we(camaro collectors) had these standards in place with awards for them there would be fewer restored cars and we would have a better understanding of the actual workmanship and how more things changed during production runs...
It's really our LOSS and is a shame because they had them in place 20 years ago...

[Salvatore]

The Vette guys are a little lax in my opinion. ALL original paint and interior is important to me. Certain maintenance is necessary and does not always let the original 40 year old stuff hang around forever. Hoses,belts,shocks,wires etc. I can live with but one repaint 35 years ago bothers me. How about original paint but somebody cleared it 20 years ago? Paint to me is the most important.