ZL-1 City

[Chris_69_SS]

Man...I made 605 HP with 049 oval ports and 10-1 comp!

[jeff morocco]

those look awesome sitting there........just imagine if you had access to these back in the day!!!

[Jerry@CHP]

Chris,

You would have loved my ride back in the late 1970s and early '80s. All steel 1966 Chevelle original SS396 car with an old worked over Super Stock 427 that I built. Back then it dynoed over 660hp. This 3500lb tank went 9.70s and 9.80s at 132 mph in the heat! Note the 9.83 dial-in on the windshield. This photo was taken at Maple Grove over 25 years ago when they still had a walking bridge across the staging lanes. The NHRA NED Bracket Finals. Those were the days. When you stepped on the gas, it got your attention!

I still miss that car!

Jerry

[VintageMusclecar]

Jerry;

Very nice, and very "believable" numbers!

If I may ask, what kind of dyno do you use, and do you run sweep or step tests?

Eric

[Jerry@CHP]

Eric,

Super Flow Dyno doing run sweep tests. Set at 300rpm per second.

Bub Whitaker's Burtonsville Machine is where our testing is done. Bub has one of the best reputations in the nation for Stock and Super Stock engines. Many, many NHRA national record holders. Very well respected and his dyno numbers are on the conservative side.

Jerry

Jerry

[VintageMusclecar]

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Eric,

Super Flow Dyno doing run sweep tests. Set at 300rpm per second.

Bub Whitaker's Burtonsville Machine is where our testing is done. Bub has one of the best reputations in the nation for Stock and Super Stock engines. Many, many NHRA national record holders. Very well respected and <u>his dyno numbers are on the conservative side.</u>

Jerry

Jerry

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Agreed!...again, those sound like very honest numbers.

As a side-note re: dyno figures...

About 25 years ago, the late John Lingenfelter took an out-of-the-crate GM LS7 454 and ran it on his dyno with a 163 intake, an 850 Holley and big-tube headers. Without any "fluff", it made 489 HP @ 6000 and 481 ft.lbs @ 4000.

(For those who may not know, that's a 12.2-1 454 with open chamber rectangular port heads and a solid lifter cam with .578/.612 lift and 262°-272° @ .050, as actually measured in this particular engine)

Talk about "honest" numbers.

(at one point in the test he bolted on an out-of-the-box Holley Strip Doinator intake, and the engine responded by actually losing 20 HP and 30 ft.lbs at some points!...who says those factory intakes don't work )

If a builder tried to deliver an engine like that today with those numbers, he'd be ran outt'a town!

And yet I still hear people today saying a crate LS7 would make 600+ out of the box.

Funny thing is, I can remember back in the `80's, there were more LS7-based engines running around the local tracks here than you could shake a stick at--and it was the norm for them to click off 10 second passes in a typically set-up "no tricks" bracket car.

Not bad for a measely 500-ish HP.

Jerry, it's not like you need any of my approval, but this is a great thread. Excellent job.

(Oh, btw...if anyone would like to reference the LS7 I mentioned, the build can be found in the November 1984 issue of Hot Rod magazine. The article is titled "Mail Supremacy")

[Jerry@CHP]

Eric,

Funny story. I received a phone call this past summer. A guy called me looking for a 67 Z28 and wanted to know if I knew of any for sale. One thing led to another. Next thing he tells me that his late brother was invloved with racing. Did I know John Lingenfelter? I almost fell out of my chair! This was his younger brother, Charlie. I told him that his older brother was one of the "icons" of racing and that I thought JL was one of the most respected people in motorsports. What a small world.

Charlie owns or rents a suite at the new Charlotte race track and invited me there when ever I get to race at that facility. I plan on going there this coming spring as NHRA now has a national event there.

In my business, you never know who is going to call you.

Jerry

[Stefano]

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Chris,

You would have loved my ride back in the late 1970s and early '80s. All steel 1966 Chevelle original SS396 car with an old worked over Super Stock 427 that I built. Back then it dynoed over 660hp. This 3500lb tank went 9.70s and 9.80s at 132 mph in the heat! Note the 9.83 dial-in on the windshield. This photo was taken at Maple Grove over 25 years ago when they still had a walking bridge across the staging lanes. The NHRA NED Bracket Finals. Those were the days. When you stepped on the gas, it got your attention!

I still miss that car!

Jerry

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[Chris_69_SS]

Very NICE!