Who repro's the 70 GM Conforming door jam decal?

[70 copo]

Some one please correct me if I am wrong, but as I recall Jim Osborne was arrested in an FBI raid in 1988 at his place of business.

The government's issues were:

1. The reproduction of decals that were not licensed by GM, and

2. The reproduction of the Blue Certification stickers.

I think they actually locked him up at first. Osborne agreed to quit selling the blue certification stickers and to give GM a cut on the rest of the decals and then he continued in business.

I think some case law since then has clairified the Government's position in these matters since - but what happened to Jim back then was Scary indeed.

Phil

[njsteve]

Yes, it was very scary back then too. GM and Chrysler used their legal muscle to push the issue and then settled for a cut of the profits from the sales if I recall correctly. The legal issues have been clarified since then. That is why the makers of these decals either sell them untyped or ask for some type of documentation to verify that you are the owner of the actual car.

[Belair62]

Found this at Chevytalk http://www.classictiger.com/vinopin.html

[Mr70]

Jim Osborn still sells the reproduction GM blue Door Vehicle certification label,that became mandatory,starting on the New 1970 sold Vehicles.
Part#DC-1318 for $10.50 w/clear overlay included.
http://www.osborn-reproduction.com/catal...184KEY%3APAR%3A

[njsteve]

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Some one please correct me if I am wrong, but as I recall Jim Osborne was arrested in an FBI raid in 1988 at his place of business.

The government's issues were:

1. The reproduction of decals that were not licensed by GM, and

2. The reproduction of the Blue Certification stickers.

I think they actually locked him up at first. Osborne agreed to quit selling the blue certification stickers and to give GM a cut on the rest of the decals and then he continued in business.

I think some case law since then has clairified the Government's position in these matters since - but what happened to Jim back then was Scary indeed.

Phil

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Another thing I just recalled. (a rather important point actually) The "crimes" alleged were Federal copyright and trademark infringement/counterfeit labeling and not VIN-related crimes. Once the licensing agreements were signed, the case pretty much went away.

[PeteLeathersac]

Since it's a reproduced 'Vin-ed' item, I'd look at using one of these as similar to restamping a motor or trans. . In either case, the door w/ Vin or drivetrain part w/ Vin can be swapped while inadvertently moving the Vins. . Of course applying a repop decal is much easier to attempt and you can try and try again if you're unhappy with the result unlike if your retamp goes bad, but easier doesn't make things any better or more honest? . If they were aware, any 'Re-Vin-ed' item would have different opinions depending on what local or Federal agencies and their agents feel at the moment. . Also like I've said before, reproducing Vins of any kind could subject your vehicle to possible destruction of any tags by the feds and a State reissued Vin thus greatly diminishing the value of the vehicle. . So like restamping, do whatever you feel comfortable with but allow this to be open knowledge come sale time to the serious buyer or certifying the car as "thorougbread' or other similar type status. . And again, if selling the vehicle, don't just tell the buyer this info, put it in writing so when the car is resold, you have proof you were above board and it's easy to see who dropped the ball of honesty. . As always, personal opinions here and subject to change without notice, any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental, call with charge card in hand, operators are standing by. ~ Pete

[camarojoe]

Geez....Its a just a friggin' repop decal in a doorjamb...its not like rebodying a car or swapping VIN numbers or anything...i don't think any certified signed letters need to be filled out about it before selling, nor do i think any government agencies are going to come take your car away if you stick one in your jamb...the more i read these posts, this whole subject seems silly to argue about.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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Geez....Its a just a friggin' repop decal in a doorjamb...its not like rebodying a car or swapping VIN numbers or anything...i don't think any certified signed letters need to be filled out about it before selling, nor do i think any government agencies are going to come take your car away if you stick one in your jamb...the more i read these posts, this whole subject seems silly to argue about.

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Exactly, it's just a stinkin sticker for cryin out loud - when you go to the DMV do they go look at the little stinkin sticker or do they go to the dash?

[njsteve]

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Geez....Its a just a friggin' repop decal in a doorjamb...its not like rebodying a car or swapping VIN numbers or anything...i don't think any certified signed letters need to be filled out about it before selling, nor do i think any government agencies are going to come take your car away if you stick one in your jamb...the more i read these posts, this whole subject seems silly to argue about.

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Exactly, it's just a stinkin sticker for cryin out loud - when you go to the DMV do they go look at the little stinkin sticker or do they go to the dash?

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That's exactly my point. Thank you and good night.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Geez....Its a just a friggin' repop decal in a doorjamb...its not like rebodying a car or swapping VIN numbers or anything...i don't think any certified signed letters need to be filled out about it before selling, nor do i think any government agencies are going to come take your car away if you stick one in your jamb...the more i read these posts, this whole subject seems silly to argue about.

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Joe....I know it's just a friggin' repop decal but it's a friggin' repop decal that includes the Vin, that's what makes it a debate. . If you feel so sure it's nothing, change one on your car and call the feds telling them what you've done and lets all see what happens? . Just kidding really but would you or anyone want to subject your car to some federal guys whim of what's right or wrong according to his interpretation of the law? . And a debate isn't silly....it's personal opinions, just like yours! ~ Pete