realistic price for 70 Z-28

[Rick H]

I decided to go look at this car today just for giggles.
Well, I giggled a lot!


Whoever buys this car is in for a HUGE restoration project. The car is a combination of about 4-5 different cars ranging from 1970 to the middle 70's. It will need just about every panel replaced. Oh but the framerails are solid.

The VIN is late Feb, early March and the motor is May. Yep, that's pretty close.
Trim tag pop riveted on and does not match the car one bit.

Thought I would post this for more reference material.

Rick H.

[70Z]

I agree. Just how hard would it have been to put on the correct hoses and clamps?

"Not sure at what level of reference you would use this car. Middle of the road I guess.

Rick H."

All I was meant by reference was here's a Citrus Green automatic(Mark stated he thought an auto was an issue)car that has quite a few bids so obviously some interest. You can look at what it is, compare it to what you have and get some "reference" as to value perhaps.

As for untouched and original...Man, those words get tossed around so casually by people selling cars that they don't mean anything to me anymore. I just assume their full of

[Rick H]

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Phil has turned down offers of over 6 digits for his Hugger Orange 70 Z/28, So I can assure you a #1 70-1 Z/28
will do well over 40K. Two years ago a real Nice # match 70-71 Z/28 brought about $15- 20,000. I walked away
from a few I am now kicking myself about...

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First off let me say that I think Phil's car is one of the finest 1970 Z/28's out there. And probably THE standard to use for referencing.

With that said just what more then the "COPO" 3 piece spoiler makes it anymore valuable then say the same car built the same day but with a shorty spoiler and restored to that same level?

If I read your statement correctly using your figures for the two number 1 cars, you're telling me that the 3 piece spoiler adds close to $60,000 to the value?? I am going to respectfully disagree.

Again, I am not picking on Phil's car I am merely using it as an example only because you brought it up.

My 06B Z/28 restoration project has the deck lid and quarters drilled for the 3 piece spoiler. Seeing that the 3 piece spoiler option was available after April of 1970 I could theoreticly consider my car a COPO as well. Could I not? Yeah I know, documentation, documentation, documentation.

Great topic.

Rick H.

[Dave Rifkin]

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Here's another for reference. This has been kicking around on ebay for a few weeks and the price keeps dropping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS..._Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT

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I've been watching this car myself; even been tempted to take the drive to DE so I can check it out. Why do you think it hasn't sold already? From the prices you guys are throwing around for second generation Z's I would think this one is a steal.

[Rick H]

I think the car was reasonable but did need some things corrected.

It sold with buy it now. High bidder had "0" zero feedback so just wait a couple days and it should be back on eBay.

Rick H.

[70 copo]

With that said just what more then the "COPO" 3 piece spoiler makes it anymore valuable then say the same car built the same day but with a shorty spoiler and restored to that same level?

If I read your statement correctly using your figures for the two number 1 cars, you're telling me that the 3 piece spoiler adds close to $60,000 to the value??


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Rick,

I have owned the car for over 25 years and to me it has no price as it is not for sale- however to others it appears quite valuable at this time, as value is in the eye of the beholder. ED Coneen states that there were less than 500 produced in '70 with the SCCA race required production option, and in the case of COPO 9796 limited production numbers is the dollar varible for the final value for an individual who wants to buy a given car.

Level of restoration plays a part- RS, 4 Speed, Factory Original Drivetrain, Z-28, POP, A binder of original documentation, Signed affedavit from the original owner, Photos from when the car was new and Finally orange with white stripes.

Your 06-B car could very well be the real deal.

Phil

[Rick H]

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Level of restoration plays a part- RS, 4 Speed, Factory Original Drivetrain, Z-28, POP, A binder of original documentation, Signed affedavit from the original owner, Photos from when the car was new and Finally orange with white stripes.


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Phil,
Absolutely.


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ED Coneen states that there were less than 500 produced in '70

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From what I have read and researched the option was available between April and August of 1970 with the total number unknown. How did Ed Cunneen come up with approx 500?
I have not seen that written anywhere except on his website.

BTW, from the way my spoiler pieces line up it just might be. I guess nobody heard of alignment templates back then.

Rick H.

[70 copo]

Rick,

It is not the alignment. it is poor quality Fiberglass molding production processes. These same issues actually delayed production until well into late May. There were some early cars but limited production actually got going in early June, and even then production was limited.

AO Smith was the supplier for the rear spoiler assembly.

As for the 500 number, I guess Ed has his sources. Vince told me that Not many were made because of the fit issues with the first spoilers. He also stated that due to this very issue the primary production roll out was mainly delayed by Chevrolet until the '71 model year where it became RPO D-80.

Phil

[Rick H]

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poor quality Fiberglass molding production processes

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You can say that again.

All I know is I plan on putting them back on whether they fit right or not.

Rick H.

[GeorgeLyons]

'70 Z-28s are extremely interesting cars that seem to be catching on finally as they should. Good cars, unrestored survivors or quality restorations are few and far between. As for the issue of COPO '70 Z's........a different spoiler is a bit of a stretch to call these cars COPOs in the same venue as the '69 cars. Actually when these cars were new I worked at Daileys Chevrolet in Erie, Pa. (also bought a new '70 camaro 350 4spd, F41, D80 etc.) and the general concensus was the smaller spoiler was preferred. It did seem like almost all of the later built 70s had the 3 piece as I recall. Still two here in Erie from Daileys, one nice, one rough as hell. As these cars become more recognized the future looks bright as to their value, either spoiler not being the issue. Colors, options and correctness along with docs will be the factor. It already takes "69 Z money to secure a good one.