70 Judge RAIV and V continuation

[Steve_Hoog]

It does look like GM was gearing up for production, why else would they have set up codes. They must have invested a substantial amount of money in the RAV program.

They had even converted the base of the ram air cleaner to accept the holley, as "5RA" is listed in the the air cleaner block on several RAIV build sheets.

Tried your link out, some one has a nice site there.

[Jeff H]

Steve, what is that other unber stamped on the block? Isn't that the engine production number? If so, wasn't it part of a sequential numbering scheme? If that's true as well, then shouldn't that number be related to some date range? Then you can see if the engine was built before or after the car was built. How do the dates relate on the block vs the car's build date? Jack, I'll try to get those magazine articles loaded up later today and link them in so people can take a look at them. The smog setup makes you think they were trying to prep it for regular production. You can also see the heat riser tubes for the air cleaner which would also be for a production engine.

[Steve_Hoog]

Jeff
I too have wondered about the number, the one block that I have had in my physical sight other than this one had the number only. No production code, no SR, and VIN... so I'm not sure. I'll check on the date code next time I talk to Gary, after I get to the bottom of the production code then I'll work on that long number. I should say if I get to the bottom of it, nothing about this has been easy.
Steve

[JLP]

Jeff,
Sorry to have jumped in and not trying to hurry you along at all. Just wanted steved and others to understand that there is information to substantiate the fact that they were trying to certify the engine for production.

For others I sent Jeff quite a bit of information that he is going to put on a link for all to view. Both magazine articles and lots of pictures. Just be patient with him and he will get it to us when he can. I assume he has a life outside this forum. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Jeff H]

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Actually, I was at Englishtown today for the last day of the season. Perfect weather for late November. Saw some nice Mopars(Cuda and 69 Charger) running low 12's and those turbo Buick's running mid-high 9's.

[MrsBillyBobcat]

Steve,

Is the number above the ìWYî on the engine block ì689549î? (thatís what it looks like) Also, is the photo in your attachment from the block that is currently in Garyís silver Judge (the one that has been there since it left the factory)?

Rita [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Steve_Hoog]

I can't tell what the first number is, that is the block out of the car. The air cleaner pic was a sheet pulled off a car before it left the line (not the car in debate).

Gary sent this to me in an email concerning the stamping:

"Remind them that I scraped the original paint off to take the picture, this was a factory stamp. Look at 100 original pontiac engines of all types and the two letters don't always line up perfect. If someone was trying to make a bogus stamping, they would do it perfect anyway."

I'll get the date code and first digit soon as I talk to him again.

[tjs44]

JLP,the only pic I have seen with the pump was the 303 engine.The production exhaust manifolds had a pluged port for the pump tubes.Also the 69 T/A R/A pan was clearanced for the Holley.I really believe the motors were designed more for the bird than the GTO as there were way more exhaust manifolds out there for the birds.Tom

[JLP]

When Jeff gets them posted in the Rodder and Super Stock Magazine article there is a picture from above of an engine and you can see the one next to it also. Pix was taken almost directly over the RH valve cover. Easy to see the smog equipment. There is a set of 4 pictures with a page # of 15 and one of them is an engine on a dyno. Long branch exhaust manifolds but don't know enough to tell what they are for. Almost look like big car type.

In the Article written by Alex Warlordy it shows the only good picture (page 51) of the engine actually installed in a car. You can see the smog pump etc. quite clearly. You will have to enlarge the photos to see them. Who knows, I may actually cause more ?? than I try to clear up. I am just trying to give more information. It would be great if one came off the assembly line in a car but if not, oh well.

When the link is posted I would suggest printing all articles then you can put it together better than I am here. I sent these to Jeff because I felt someone from this site should try to post them for this thread.

By the way, I lived in Kodiak, AK when I gathered all these articles. Ordered the T-37, 455HO there too. Didn't even live near a drag strip. Well, at least not a legal one. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] Be patient and they will find their way to the web with the link here.

[Steve_Hoog]

JLP

That is an interesting post for sure, don't know what it means but I sure want to find out.

I have a lead on a possible assembly line worker, hopefully that will pan out to some good info. Via the immaculant Build Sheet. He is slow to email, and I have many questions for him.

I also have some type of engineering notes or possilbe RAV projection from GM maybe..? Not sure what that will be until I get it in the mail later next week.

We might not prove this or that, but we sure may become more knowledgeable on RAV before it's over.