1969 Camaro Z/28 w/Special Order Paint

[clem]

all jerry had to do was run the VIN and the would have found my post from years before as the original owner.

[PeteLeathersac]

I've shut up since posting the VIN back on Page-1 so maybe a good time to check back in?
First off, welcome aboard Clem!
Sorry for what may seem like foolishness here but it's a serious group that sometimes perseveres when others don't but also reaches solid conclusions others won't...thankfully we have this forum!

Reading all presented and resto of the car aside, being ordered EO but painted/delivered w/ the #81 Sunset color seems most plausible also helps all original pieces of the puzzle fit together?

I have 3 things I'm hoping Clem can comment on;
1 - Have you seen the car since restoration in EO and does the color seem the exact same or any lighter/darker?
2 - Is the Sales document posted THE absolute original...there was some questioning of it earlier so an O/O comment best when possible.
3 - When we get past this quagmire, I don't expect I'm the only one looking forward to hearing more about your other cars!

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~ Pete

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcmiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcmiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this picture is me running a autocross at greengate mall back in the day. those are genuine real mag wheels I used to use on my corvettes </div></div>

Does the color of the car in that picture look EO to you? Be honest.

Could part of the &quot;disappointment&quot; with the color be because it was not as dark as expected?

Are there any original docs from this car from 1968 that show the name of the color ordered?

</div></div>sure does not look like cortez silver the 69 camaro color. http://www.69pace.com/paint1969cortezsilver.htm </div></div>

You didn't answer the questions...

</div></div>the answer is NO

[olredalert]

----Believe me Clem, I know exactly what you mean. Something similar happened to me several years ago. Maybe I should have entered &quot;to me&quot; at the end of that sentence......Bill S

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I've shut up since posting the VIN back on Page-1 so maybe a good time to check back in?
First off, welcome aboard Clem!
Sorry for what may seem like foolishness here but it's a serious group that sometimes perseveres when others don't but also reaches solid conclusions others won't...thankfully we have this forum!

Reading all presented and resto of the car aside, being ordered EO but painted/delivered w/ the #81 Sunset color seems most plausible also helps all original pieces of the puzzle fit together?

I have 3 things I'm hoping Clem can comment on;
1 - Have you seen the car since restoration in EO and does the color seem the exact same or any lighter/darker?
2 - Is the Sales document posted THE absolute original...there was some questioning of it earlier so an O/O comment best when possible.
3 - When we get past this quagmire, I don't expect I'm the only one looking forward to hearing more about your other cars!

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]#1 yes I was at mecum harrisburg sat. and that is what the car looked like when I owned it. #2 yes it is the original that mrs clem saved. #3 OK
~ Pete


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[DW31S]

I just looked at that picture again, and it is cool. However, to my eyes, it does look like it has been blended from the middle of the door into the front leading edge of the rear 1/4. It doesn't appear as Cortez Silver OR Evening Orchid in this picture. I'm thinking back to what I said about the front clip not matching.... Could it have been blended as an attempt to make it match the rest of the car? Could it be that the &quot;Special Paint&quot; was applied in a manner that didn't cover as much as a normally painted car? Could it be that when William and Jerry looked at the car, the early repaint hid the &quot;Special Paint&quot; and what they saw might have been a primer that is known to cast a &quot;silverish appearance? What if the line tried the &quot;Silver Firemist&quot; ( or whatever it was called) in an attempt to &quot;appear&quot; as the requested Evening Orchid? What if all of, or a combination of all of these possible scenarios occurred? I try to look at things rationally and in this case that is almost impossible due to the time that has passed since the car was originally painted, and then repainted and then appraised/ documented. I can't see why Clem and the dealer's representative would fabricate such a story (don't believe it WAS A FABRICATION), but with all the factors involved I really can't say if anyone is 100% right or wrong, or if any one person is maliciously telling an untruth to uphold a reputation. BIG is right that most of us would kill for the paperwork that has surfaced, but NONE of us would want the possible degrading of our car that could be associated with this car. I'm certainly not a buyer for this car, even if it wore the original paint, I don't think it is a $200,000.00 car. It is truly a shame it was ever repainted. Where is that window sticker?

[bcmiller]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcmiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would expect better coverage in the area under the door panels on a normal (not hand sprayed) RG or HO car because of the color difference between the main body color and the primer.

Not so much on a special paint car where the body color was close to the primer color.

Oh and I did not originally introduce the photos of the &quot;purplish&quot; color primer on the Hugger Orange car. Just mentioned them again because they seemed to be ignored at first and I felt they were pertinent.

Think about it...and what the preponderance of the evidence showed on the car itself.

It's a special paint car no doubt - so how much does that add value to the car? Hard to say. It may still be a one of one - but Flamingo Silver / Sunset Silver - instead of that other color that keeps getting brought up.

Flamingo Silver / Sunset Silver shows up darker or has more of a purplish tint in some paint chip books (I have more than one book) so I can see how there may have been a misunderstanding.

There is no way to go back and look at the car now to see.
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Bryon,

I find it odd that you chose to lock the thread on the CRG site but find the need to continue to post about it here. To me the background on why Clem ordered the car E O is interesting but that where it ends.

Color is all about personal taste, and for me this car holds no additional value. Someone else may feel different but again it's all about preference in color.

If you continue to post on this thread I think it only appropriate to unlock the CRG thread.

I believe there is enough day one information from the original owner, dealer and those familiar with the car to validate the color it was originally ordered. </div></div>

There is not enough paper documentation for me to say what the color truly was.

The thread there was locked because I felt there was some &quot;bashing&quot; going on and headed in a direction that was not productive. A prior thread had some &quot;bashing&quot; in it too and that was locked, not by me. I guess my tolerance level for that is low. I also felt that the original post was more of an &quot;advertisement&quot; for the car coming up for auction. The thread may open up again at some point, but that is not my call.

I have been very civil but can't say that for all of the posts in this thread. An alternate solution between Evening Orchid and Cortez Silver was suggested - which is what I believe the color was. I have an open mind, but it is an opinion. Everyone can have an opinion.

It's no big deal to me. This will be my last post in this thread. But I am not just Joe Blow off the street.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but &quot;if it doesn't fit, you must acquit&quot;. lol

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----Believe me Clem, I know exactly what you mean. Something similar happened to me several years ago. Maybe I should have entered &quot;to me&quot; at the end of that sentence......Bill S </div></div>I have a friend who went thru this with his 69 ZL-1 corvette when it did not meet what the NCRS said. it is a case of facts vs opinions. I knew what the corvette was as I worked on it when it was brand new.

[DW31S]

Do you really believe he was innocent?

[clem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you really believe he was innocent? </div></div>like I posted I had the ZL-1n my garage and these doubters only knew what they read in books and never saw the car when new. I know one guy who was there when it rolled off of the truck. same thing here the dealer and paperwork don't mean more than some ones opinion who never saw the car. .