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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO140</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This car has none of it's original drive train including the trans and rear. Still a great project for someone. </div></div>
If this is true, it will obviously reduce the fmv significantly - perhaps to its current bid, as that is the general range for a decent project deuce w/ no matching drivetrain (given other deuce sales in this condition/originality). You have to factor in ~15% on average for each missing drivetrain item, so that would knock it down by about 45-50%. So a high of $75-80kk becomes $40k in a hurry!
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If this car is missing everything - and it is starting to look that way and it is a 107k mile car I think the bidding is really topped out already. This is going to be a very expensive restoration to complete if you want to do it correctly. The rear if even able to find will probably set you back a solid $20k + and then you have to account of full rotiserie restoration at a minumum of $60k - before you know it you have a car that is worth $100-$120k costing you $150k to buy and restore. I dont think this will ever be a money car for anyone - but given the right passion and effort it could be a very nice authentic piece to add to your collection. If the muscle car market ever goes back to 2008 prices then there might be some appreciation there.
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Well, i got about a 100 pics of the car from my inspector - ill provide some info tomorrow on what i believe is the real picture of the car condition (its not pretty) etc.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... I dont think this will ever be a money car for anyone - but given the right passion and effort it could be a very nice authentic piece to add to your collection. If the muscle car market ever goes back to 2008 prices then there might be some appreciation there. </div></div>
This is exactly where a lot of us Deuce owners were back in the mid '90's - we knew we would be upside down, even with doing all the work ourselves! We didn't care, it was never a 'money thing'. That is likely why so many Deuces have long ownership tenures - even during the high dollar years, most stayed right where they were. Looking forward to the Ed's assessment. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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Marlin 70 Yenko Nova-350/360, 4speed M21, 4.10 Posi (Daddy's Ride) 69 SS Nova-396/375hp, 4speed M20, 3.55 Posi (Benjamin's Ride) 67 RS Camaro-327/250hp, 2speed Glide, & 3.08 Open (Danny's Ride) |
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"we knew we would be upside down, even with doing all the work ourselves! <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline">We didn't care, it was never a 'money thing'</span></span></span></span>. That is likely why so many Deuces have long ownership tenures - even during the high dollar years, most stayed right where they were. "
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORIGLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"we knew we would be upside down, even with doing all the work ourselves! <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline">We didn't care, it was never a 'money thing'</span></span></span></span>. That is likely why so many Deuces have long ownership tenures - even during the high dollar years, most stayed right where they were. "
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img] </div></div> Yeah..what they said...
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Marlins statement could not be more true. When I was fortunate enough to aquire my Deuce. (Thanks to Marlin and others on this site) It was as if I was being welcomed into a family. The wealth of information and time just given from he and Shoney were invaluable during the restoration.
I don't know what the old car is worth but I wouldn't trade the family that comes with it for anything. Jamie |
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The following list of items is what we found
- DEC 70 casting date on rear - BM code - 69 Trans 9Bxxxb - m21 - no vin - no protecto plate or other paperwork other than what is on ebay - Painted GB underneath - Car has been all apart at one time - No sway bars front or back, back has the brackets weld to the floor as it should - rear shackles wrong - frnt rear spring mounting area on pass side - sheet metal all torn up - no emerg brake stuff - one YA wheel - the rest are ?? (never seen the codes before) - no spare - interior material on front seat not 70 style - did not check rear - some interior parts seemed to be redyed from white to black - floor on pass side (or was that driver?) was replaced - trans hole cut for super shifter - quarters and doors look solid - trunk looked to be real nice - some stripe kit in trunk but damaged - no power steering - booster - could not tell code - too much black paint - master cyl - could only see a UT code on the tab - Trim tag looked UNTOUCHED - heavy paint as well - Trim info 05D car - WRN37259 (yes i know there is another number missing) i ran this by Marlin yesterday and with the other number, it aligns with his inventory sheet - We could not make out the missing numb clearly - Color 50-50 GB - Trim 731 - NO mat under the carpet - Dash stuff - have pics but am not aware of the differences - Door panels look real and are pretty good shape - Motor - yes a CE block, Mallory dist, coil, after market alt - Front fenders have some patch work on the lips - did not check the hidden vins - turn signal lever missing - did not check the glass - tach looks correct with the yenko crest Thats all for now - hope this helps. Going to talk to the bank today about the findings. Forgot to add the car had frame connectors at one time, rear of the subframe was welded and then cut off. Also relooking at pics of the interoir - rear seat is not correct as well. Subframe in the front of the car looked pretty rough as well.
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Great information.
I think it's worth noting the VIN # should follow that for archival purposes on this website. VIN # 114270W351509 Did it have green or white face paint on the gauges sitting inside the 1972 seatbelt dashboard? |
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Looks like white in my pics....
heater control looks like white lettering as well - i think 69 camaro is green and nova is white?? Trim - hard to see in pic - i think its 721 instead of 731...which ine is correct for the Deuce?
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