68 COPO CAMARO EBAY?

[MultiMopars]

Good info by Kurt S.

That answers my question about the paint order process which indicates a special order paint car is NOT a COP order.
Thanks

[talwell]

Even if a special paint car was truely a "COPO" car - that would not give it the value and collectible nature of the other COPO cars. There are many desirable things to the COPO cars that make them in demand with very high prices - it is just not the fact that they were required to be ordered via the COPO method.

[Steve Shauger]

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Good info by Kurt S.

That answers my question about the paint order process which indicates a special order paint car is NOT a COP order.
Thanks

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It also contradicts the incorrect statements you have made in this thread:

MultiMopars
"If the order for special paint was ordered through the Central Office Production Order process then it IS a COPO car. I may not be what people have come to expect a COPO car is but that is only because of what certain people in the hobby have come to expect of a certain label."

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If I remember correctly, the box on the buildsheet (at least in '69) said "COPO or F&SO"...so either the "COPO" or the "Fleet & Special Order" number would be in that particular box. So apparently, a fleet or special order didn't necessarily mean COPO...right?!? For the 69 Camaros the option is titled COPO and then further defined as to what type of Copo by letter designation. Each of the components that are included in the Copo option are then listed.The RPO options follow on a separate format

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[Mark_C]

The FS&O numbers were plant specific and sequential in format. Like the 67 Pacecars have FS&O numbers FN061 (and others) for Fleet, Norwood job number 061 indicated in that box on the Body Broadcast Sheet, then down on the bottom of the form was the wording PACE CAR PNT PER FS&O, indicating the car was a pacecar and it should be painted per FS&O number 061. COPOs carried other dsignations in that box and had a pack of engineering documentation that went along with them indicating what was RPO and what was additonal material needed to assemble the car.

[MultiMopars]

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Good info by Kurt S.

That answers my question about the paint order process which indicates a special order paint car is NOT a COP order.
Thanks

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It also contradicts the incorrect statements you have made in this thread:

MultiMopars
" If the order for special paint was ordered through the Central Office Production Order process then it IS a COPO car. I may not be what people have come to expect a COPO car is but that is only because of what certain people in the hobby have come to expect of a certain label."

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Well, if you have read the posts I have made in this thread you will see that I was asking a question and the quote above is NOT a statemnt of fact but rather posed as a possibility of what would be IF the car was ordered through the COPO process for the paint.

Part of my point above has to do with the fact that many vehicles were ordered through the COPO process as indicated in Kurt's info that ARE COPO vehicles but hold no value TODAY because of it.

[Steve Shauger]

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Good info by Kurt S.

That answers my question about the paint order process which indicates a special order paint car is NOT a COP order.
Thanks

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It also contradicts the incorrect statements you have made in this thread:


MultiMopars
" If the order for special paint was ordered through the Central Office Production Order process then it IS a COPO car. I may not be what people have come to expect a COPO car is but that is only because of what certain people in the hobby have come to expect of a certain label."

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Well, if you have read the posts I have made in this thread you will see that I was asking a question and the quote above is NOT a statemnt of fact but rather posed as a possibility of what would be IF the car was ordered through the COPO process for the paint.

Part of my point above has to do with the fact that many vehicles were ordered through the COPO process as indicated in Kurt's info that ARE COPO vehicles but hold no value TODAY because of it.

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Another incorrect statement you made which was not "posed".
MultiMopars:
"Yes, that is just it.

It was an order that the dealer submitted through that office rather than on the standard order form.

The office assigned non-standard (not RPO) numbers. Different numbers to identify what you were ordering. The ones that everybody is familiar with are the performance ones used by Yenko and other dealers to get what we recognize as "COPO Camaros" etc."

Before you make absolute statements do your research. This site is about preserving the heritage of these cars accurately, not recklessly trying to rewriting it....

[442w30]

This is not the first time this has happened.

[old5.0]

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Good question on the '57 Widow cars as I believe the model year the Copo designation was first used was 1958?.

Also didn't SO in 'Copo & FSO' refer to Shop Order not Special Order?.


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Weren't the black widows "technically" built by SEDCO at Nalley Chevrolet, and not G.M.? Maybe because there was no well established COPO process at the time?

[MultiMopars]

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Good info by Kurt S.

That answers my question about the paint order process which indicates a special order paint car is NOT a COP order.
Thanks

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It also contradicts the incorrect statements you have made in this thread:


MultiMopars
" If the order for special paint was ordered through the Central Office Production Order process then it IS a COPO car. I may not be what people have come to expect a COPO car is but that is only because of what certain people in the hobby have come to expect of a certain label."

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Well, if you have read the posts I have made in this thread you will see that I was asking a question and the quote above is NOT a statemnt of fact but rather posed as a possibility of what would be IF the car was ordered through the COPO process for the paint.

Part of my point above has to do with the fact that many vehicles were ordered through the COPO process as indicated in Kurt's info that ARE COPO vehicles but hold no value TODAY because of it.

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Another incorrect statement you made which was not "posed".
MultiMopars:
"Yes, that is just it.

It was an order that the dealer submitted through that office rather than on the standard order form.

The office assigned non-standard (not RPO) numbers. Different numbers to identify what you were ordering. The ones that everybody is familiar with are the performance ones used by Yenko and other dealers to get what we recognize as "COPO Camaros" etc."

Before you make absolute statements do your research. This site is about preserving the heritage of these cars accurately, not recklessly trying to rewriting it....

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That is EXACTLY what is have been doing. I was asking QUESTIONS not making absolute statements. You don't seem to grasp that.

I am not trying to rewrite anything. Calm down, they are questions and comments.

You are taking things out of context and putting words in my mouth.

If you READ my above comments it is pretty clear that I am not simply refering to the paint being a COPO item, but rather that tere are certainly OTHER cars with OTHER specialized equipment OTHER than the typical hipo Chevelles, Camaros, etc. that are discuss here. I was simply agreeing with the statement by old5.0 "Or have we just made "COPO" synonymous with "something cool"?
And that is EXACTLY what has taken place over the years. Not that I am dissing THOSE cars, but rather a simple statement that COPO doesn't ALWAYS mean what many have come to believe it is.