Restamping blocks??????????????

[EZ Nova]

So what are peoples take on this? IF an original body IS located, yet motor and trans long gone, is it ok to restamp the block/cases and pass it off as numbers matching???? Is it legal to knowingly restamp a block and say it's the original? Like swapping tags???

Reason is for this:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...lle#Post611156

As I said in this thread, "In a case where a high value car (such as this Chevelle) the re-stamp or "matching numbers" only leads to one thing, HIGHER SALE PRICE. I personally look at cars that are "NUMBERS MATCHING" as born with parts and therefore more original and subsequently worth or valued higher. "

Seem quite obvious that the block has been restamped since they went there separate ways years ago. BUT yet advertised as "numbers matching" now

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/SC0...COPO-Chevelle/

BUYER BEWARE I guess!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stefano]

Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning.

[RJS]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron</div></div>

Unfortunately #'s matching has many meanings and in fact is a code for restamped for many. Born with original drivetrain is a more definitive term.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unfortunately #'s matching has many meanings and in fact is a code for restamped for many. Born with original drivetrain is a more definitive term. </div></div>

I could not agree more and any time I read an ad today that states &quot;numbers matching&quot; I automatically think they are likely restamped. I look for &quot;born with&quot; as well. If you restamp an engine or a transmission or any component parts for that matter, you are a crook and fraud, plain and simple.

[Stefano]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron </div></div>

Ron,

Just replying to the post. Check with the auction house regarding their specific definition of &quot;Numbers Matching&quot;, each major auction a distinct definition and interpretation.

[RJS]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RJS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Numbers Matching and Original Engine/drivetrain do not necessarily have the same meaning. </div></div>

They had better have the same meaning!!! #'s matching only happens with the original born with engine/trans etc...
Anyone that thinks restamping is OK is a Crook period. The only reason a block or trans would be restamped is for profit.
This topic seems to carry different weight in the different camps but it shouldn't.
Ron </div></div>

Ron,

Just replying to the post. Check with the auction house regarding their specific definition of &quot;Numbers Matching&quot;, each major auction a distinct definition and interpretation. </div></div>


My response has no reflection on you, don't even know you.
I was just saying that the term #'s matching means born with engine. If it has to be spelled out than something shady is going on.
I wouldn't believe an Auction house if they told me a Red car was Red.
Ron

[Mr70]

Safe to say RJS isn't an NCRS judge.

[RJS]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Safe to say RJS isn't an NCRS judge. </div></div>

Surely not, but let me ask does being a NCRS judge make you lose your morals???
Just asking.
Ron

[RJS]

This subject or shall I say it's interpretation nowadays is like watching &quot;the Good Wife&quot; bend the truth in court.
Ron