1969 Z/28 trim tag

[Salvatore]

See the Repro trim tag on e-bay for an X33D80 car?

[Lynn]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...ssPageName=WDVW

[427TJ]

"Please do not use for fraudulent purposes."

Well at least he said "please."

[Lynn]

I am sure that will do it.

[SSJunkie68-69]

"It makes a great addition to fool your friends or a show judge, but if you try to sell a car thats not a Z using this, bad voodoo will descend upon you, and zombies don't get the girls."

How much clearer could he get? That's a mighty strong warning.........

Hope everyone has a happy and safe 4th!

[Mr. T]

No matter how honest and straight forward this seller seems, no cowl tags, wether they are original or a repro, shouldn't be sold on Ebay or anywhere else....PERIOD!! The only place these repro tags belong is in the trash.

[70Z]

I just recently passed on a 69 Z that I've had my eye on for several years. It's an outstanding car and no doubt in my mind a real Z, but without doc's whats it really worth? IMO, at this point, a 69 Z/ss/whatever without docs isn't worth any premium at all. It's a real shame for those who own one. A bonanza probally for those with real docs, however.

[MosportGreen66]

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I just recently passed on a 69 Z that I've had my eye on for several years. It's an outstanding car and no doubt in my mind a real Z, but without doc's whats it really worth? IMO, at this point, a 69 Z/ss/whatever without docs isn't worth any premium at all. It's a real shame for those who own one. A bonanza probally for those with real docs, however.

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I personally disagree very much. How can you say that because a car does not have factory documentation automatically doles it to be a worthless car? Take for example my 1969 Z/28. Although it does not have any original documentation (p-o-p, build sheet, dealer invoices) it is down right original from the air cleaner cover to the oil pan. It retains it original A. I. R. pump, heads, transmission and rear. Not one panel has been replaced and the seats are still factory fresh. Now I give you another example. I have a friend who has a cortez/black stripe 1969 Z28. It is not one bit original but has a build sheet. The motor is a 1972 402 (low compression motor), trans is a 1970 M-22 and he just installed power steering (which is not original to his car) so his wife could drive it with greater ease.

So you mean to tell me that my bone, stock, primarily unrestored 1969 Z28 is less original and holds less value than my friend's Z28 just because his car has a piece of paper attached to it? I think that is bogus statement. I do partially agree with you but it varies GREATLY on car to car. I bet there are undocumented muscle cars that trade hands for stupid money all day long. What about those undocumented COPO cars that do not have lick of factory paper but received Ed Cuneen paper because of their originality! Tough to justify your full statement.

[@wot]

This will always be a debate, but I know a number of muscle car hobbyists who won't pay a "documented" price for a car without the paperwork. This leads one to believe that real documentation adds greatly to the value of any car, and in somone cases is worth more than the car. Sad but true! The more fake junk appears on the market, the more prospective buyers will demand real authentication.

[70Z]

By no means does lack of paperwork make a car worthless. I never said that or meant to imply such. What I said was, in my opinion, in this day and age, an undocumented car does not deserve a premium price. That is far different than saying a car is worthless. Certainly in my case that is a fact...ie, I was unwilling to pay what would be consider a "fair" price today for a strong #2 '69 Z w/o docs because I'm afraid of what lies in store for these cars.

The better question to ask I suppose is..Not does your car have less value than your friends, but whether or not your car has less value than a similar Z with paper work? And if so, how much less?

And, as for Ed Cuneen, you were actually making my point not yours with that example. The reason people go to Ed is to "prove" thier car is real because paper from Ed is respected to a degree that gives it authenticity to a car lacking GM paperwork. The reason they do this is becuase it makes their car more valuable after Ed gives his seal of approval.

In any event, I certainly never meant to dis anyones car by my statement.