I know you guys will tell me like it is ..

[Joe]

If i buy this , and restore it or rebody it as you would Prob call it would the car be considered restored ? or Black listed as a fake or should have been salvage junk car ?
your opinion is needed
Joe

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...A:IT&ih=017

[Keith Tedford]

As long as future buyers know exactly how the car was built, then there shouldn't be a problem. They will set the price based on this. The problem is, down the road someone is just going to conveniently forget to tell the next buyer how the car was built. Then the fun begins. If I were selling the car, I would want a signed affidavit from the buyer that he has full knowledge of how the car was built, just so that someone doesn't come back on me later.

[Joe]

keith thats great advice , i see what ya mean i didn't even think about the affidavit part .

[m22mike]

You can do whatever you like, I am quite sure it is already in the CRG data base and is already to some degree blacklisted
By the way the full Vin# looks like 12379N594786, I copied the picture off the EBAY add and blew it up, you can see right through the guys attempt to pencil out the last three digits.
There would be knothing wrong ?? with building this car, but there will always be the record of it being on EBAY .

[njsteve]

No matter what the idiot who is posting that auction says, it is a Federal Felony to rebody a car: i.e. remove the VIN, no matter if it is still attached to a couple pounds of old metal, and attach it to a body it was not originally assigned to.

Let me make it a bit clearer:

THIS VIN IS FLAGGED AND IF THE CAR IS "REBODIED," IT WILL BE SEIZED AND THE OWNER WILL BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH MULTIPLE FELONIES, ALONG WITH ANYONE WHO HELPED HIM CUT AND PASTE THE VIN ONTO ANY OTHER BODY.

Hopefully this is clear to everyone now.

If you want to buy that carcass and try to restore what is left of it into a new car, you can try and do that, but dont even think of removing that VIN and mounting it on another body. Personally (and in my legal opinion), I think you would be crazy to attempt it. You dont need the legal headaches following you, and the car, forever.

[SuperNovaSS]

I seriously doubt that. It is still a car at this point, although maybe it shouldn't be. I think there was a thread on this car from about a year ago, the last time this car was on Ebay.


Jason

[njsteve]

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I seriously doubt that. It is still a car at this point, although maybe it shouldn't be. I think there was a thread on this car from about a year ago, the last time this car was on Ebay.


Jason

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...and I believe I left the same free legal advice last time too. I am just trying to keep fellow enthusiasts out of trouble.

[Joe]

steve i never said anything about removing the Vin or trim tag .
your close enough do you want to inspect the restoration if i buy it >??

[quick-bowtie]

I think if you kept the car and disclosed it if you ever did sell it there wouldnt be a problem.. Granted the law says its illegal but Ive never heard of them seizing a car (maybe if it was in some legal battle or something) but we all know of some rebodied cars that have been floating around forever and be sold and advertised that way.. and no ones came in and taken them away or arrested people..

Just gotta why would you pay that kinda of money for basically a trim tag in the first place?? Theres nothing left of that thing.

[njsteve]

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steve i never said anything about removing the Vin or trim tag .
your close enough do you want to inspect the restoration if i buy it >??

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Any time someone uses the term "rebody," that is a legally defined term that presumes that they took the VIN off of one vehicle and placed it on another.

As for the cars never having been siezed or anyone arrested, I could probably arrange an interview for you of one of several upstanding citizens who are either now, or have been in prison for that crime.

The National Insurance Crime Bureau NICB (the same people who keep records on where every car built was originally shipped) specialize in investigating this crime and once they gather the evidence of a VIN swap, they forward that info to the criminal auto theft investigtaors in the nearest state or Federal law enforcement agency for that area.

I'm not here on my high horse trying to lecture anybody, I am just giving you the information you should have to make an educated decision on a possible purchase. My advice would be to let this car go and find something with no legal baggage that will follow it forever.