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Guys Dave and I looked at this car last night here is a photo of the trim tag. Look at the spacing of the build month & week. I guess mistakes do happen.


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Tag looks OK, my 05A bdy# is 322423. Do you have any more pictures of the tag ?

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That's it Mike. I think it's legit IMO. The spacing was weird on the production date. But human error is possible
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Good reference for future guys
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Tag looks good to me. My 05A X77 nor# is 314xxx. Looks like they made a lot of cars that week!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tag looks good to me. My 05A X77 nor# is 314xxx. Looks like they made a lot of cars that week!
Buddy </div></div>

That is a lot of cars.

In fact, I'm not sure it's physically possible.

322616 - 314000 = 8616 units.

CRG lists the Norwood line rate as 57 jobs/hour, for two shifts.

Computing a straight time rate of 57 x 8 x 2 = 912 per day x 5 days = 4560 units

Considering 6 days of 10 hour shifts still falls short at 57 x 10 x 2 = 1140 jobs per day x 6 days = 6840 units.

So it seems something is not adding up.

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Don't you need to compare the vin#'s when looking at cars made ? The bdy# in 69 was the actual order # form Chevrolet when the dealer order was entered into the system.

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Yes - VINs - that's my understanding too Mike.
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The body number has nothing to do with production or production scheduling. I have maintained a reverse-engineered production schedule for many years. GM released the first and last VINs built for most months so that's what it's based it on. Van Nuys is somewhat easier to figure as there are some VN BBCs around and they were dated when printed. That date was when final assembly began; the body was already done. The few Norwood BBCs I have seen do not have dates so it's an educated guess. Firebird was mixed in with Camaro production at Norwood starting about the 3rd week of April and that makes it tougher. The overall rate stayed the same but the mix varied.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The body number has nothing to do with production or production scheduling. </div></div>

Well...it does for the body shop. That's why it exists. I will agree the body shop numbers are only somewhat indirectly linked to final line (general assembly) production and scheduling.

I also agree about Firebird mixing in with Camaro starting in April of 1969, but didn't want to confuse the issue. I wasn't sure if they got their own body sequence number, which would have been directionally incorrect in terms of my calculations above (for example, in the Pontiac Michigan assembly plant there were different body sequences for big car, A body hardtop/coupe and A body convertible - all &quot;Pontiac&quot; nameplated vehicles).

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