There you go Tommy. There is some good in everything! While I am a Union guy I still believe that all this can work for us. It is a give and take situation and most of all NO ONE should get paid for not doing their jobs! I am not a member of an in shop union. I am a member of a trade union. We get no holiday pay,sick days, time off with pay etc. If it rains or snows we go home with no pay. 8 for 8 is what the trades are all about. IBEW Local 380 has never been on strike in its history and we wouldn't get strike pay if we were. Don't know why anybody who is in the trades would not want to be a Union tradesman. We have a very good 5 year apprenticeship program that allows us to take some college courses afterwards if we want to. A very good pension and great health care which incidently comes directly out of our pay checks. The contractors guarantee nothing other than sending the money we pay back to the local union funds. Very important to work 2000 hours a year to keep our bennies paid in full!