I guess after reading all of this crap on both websites is the one thing that still amazes me, is if Tom feels he has a legit DH car, as he has been claiming all these years (even on business cards) then why hasn't he produced the documentation to the car, whether paperwork or otherwise....As someone else pointed out..not saying anything in a public manner when confronted with possible contrary evidence leads to an assumption the evidence is correct. Tom should want to rectify that...

I think it is evident to many that there are a lot of morons on that site, but truth be told there are morons here as well..complete with their "stars"...just read some of the post when someone post an umpopular thought or subject. One side can't hold themselves above others when some of the same people posting on this thread have at various times been EXTREMELY confrontational and downright asses (I'm sure I fall into that catagory at least once as well..)

It goes without saying that since this site was the first "supercar" website and the owners (the Clary's) felt to need to remove certain people, that when those people feel the owner's car is now is in question they might be alittle overzealous. It still doesn't excuse the manner in which they post however. This along with just some really stupid people overall on both sites, leads to the discussion being more on a 6th grade level and folks "forgetting" that there is an actual bonafide topic to discuss... Amazing that some people on both sites probably run companies and decide the fate of way bigger things other than cars that hardly get driven...makes one wonder.

I guess I'm amazed that this car was allowed to be called a DH car since at least 2000 (based on Tom's post) without someone stepping up and actually asking what proof there is... What paperwork is there? What research methods were used to find evidence? What sources were used? Old memeories, photos, etc? How were the final conclusions made? Maybe as a result of this website and who Tom is (in my limited knowledge of the man, he seems to be "ok") the normal questions didn't come up or were assumed to be ok. I know from dealing with military after action reports details and memeory can be sketchy after only a few hours...So if relying on 20+ years they can be wrong..Not saying that was done here, but if that is the only means of confiming something then IMO it is shaky from a research prospective.. Also let's face it people make honest mistakes and confirm wrong things..happens all the time..Ask people who witnessed a tramtic event...many views of the same situation..Not sure if that happend here as I obviosuly wasn't around for the conversations..just food for thought..

It is funny to me though how everyone is glossing over the real topic here...After all someone post a car on Ebay and within hours guys here and everywhere pick it apart. People are quick to point out "caution fan" issues, but apparently not wanting to discuss the vaidiaty of someones claim to have a historical car??? Doesn't make much sense to me..IMO the current situation with respect to the "DH" car would be like me saying I own one of Erich Hartmann's BF-109G's "Gustav" (the highest scoring fighter ace in history, 352 confirms)and never having to prove it...Then when someone post what could be credible evidence to the contrary people just minimzing it..It would be a historically significant piece and worth more than another BF109G based on WHO it belonged to..I know Tom is being quoted as saying his car is worth upwards of 200k, BUT that is really probably only IF it is a DH car or has a direct lineage to DH..Another fliptop car more than likely wouldn't be worth that..So as long as Tom's car is called a DH car it will always be worth more, and generate more interest (magazine, trackside, etc).

To me it appears that instead of looking at the info that one person (USA1) on the "dreaded" other website provided..apparently through some significant research..people on BOTH sides are focusing on extra BS..lawsuits, name calling, personal attacks, etc. I don't knwo "USA1" from Adam..based on his profile there it appears he is an attorney, and I would suspect if true well versed in researching a topic. He has posted pics of Huston Platt's (another known drag racer..although certainly not as popular or maybe more importantly marketable as DH) drag car and provided actual documentaion to his points. People seem to be "overlooking" this and trying to make the discussion about other BS topics..Everyone keeps talking about "pics" of the Clary's car before it was restored..where are these pics? Do they exist? IMO "USA1" seems like he makes valid points to why he feels Tom's car ISN'T the DH car it is reported to be. Why haven't his post been directly addressed in a public manner (this is the way they were evidently presented) by Tom? If someone reports a car to be something and there is ANY skuttlebutt to the contrary I would think the owner would want to squash it. After all in this market it can be damning..

I guess being an "outsider" on all three sites (here, there and Rabbitt's) means I have a different prospective. I'm not bound by friendships, loyalty or a sense of "holding my tongue." I have and always will be a student of history, and I'll always appreciate research and finding the truth to a question. I can see the irony IF Tom's car isn't a DH car as afterall this site has made it a focal point to call out questionable cars and makes no bones about doing it... IT is a really good thing that has helped everyone gain knowledge about correctness and made people aware of potential fakes. It would suck though if the "head guy" was guilty of being "overzealous" in his interest to bringing a potential historical car to light and then when confronted with possible photographic contrary evidence didn't address it..Hope that isn't the case as it is a neat car either way..if the car is proven to be another car hope the same "zeal" will go to righting the wrong.

In closing I truly have no stake in any of this..it really won't affect me in any way..whatever the outcome is..I would only hope as being an avid "musclecar" enthuiast the truth comes out. Hope everyone has a safe and prosperous New Year.

G S Carlson