Okay Pete, here's a photo I took from the back seat of a buddy's T-6 Texan back in 2002. We were over the Bay Area in California (SF in the distance) when Art Vance jumped us in his P-51 Mustang. We had gone up to his hangar at Santa Rosa for a visit and he bounced us as we flew home. He tucked it in tight and I shot this photo. Art was killed in early October ferrying a Grumman F6F Hellcat in poor weather. Hell of a nice guy.