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Old 07-04-2005, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: 1969 Z/28 trim tag

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By no means does lack of paperwork make a car worthless. I never said that or meant to imply such. What I said was, in my opinion, in this day and age, an undocumented car does not deserve a premium price. That is far different than saying a car is worthless. Certainly in my case that is a fact...ie, I was unwilling to pay what would be consider a "fair" price today for a strong #2 '69 Z w/o docs because I'm afraid of what lies in store for these cars.

The better question to ask I suppose is..Not does your car have less value than your friends, but whether or not your car has less value than a similar Z with paper work? And if so, how much less?

And, as for Ed Cuneen, you were actually making my point not yours with that example. The reason people go to Ed is to "prove" thier car is real because paper from Ed is respected to a degree that gives it authenticity to a car lacking GM paperwork. The reason they do this is because it makes their car more valuable after Ed gives his seal of approval.

In any event, I certainly never meant to dis anyones car by my statement.

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I would guess the hat trick(POP,Build sheet,window sticker)of documentation on a born in driveline 69Z would increase it's value by 35-40% over one without,regardless of condition,less if it's limited to just the POP,or W/S.

When was the last time you saw a 69Z with that level of paper? most of the camaro owners back then were young,and paperwork went in the trash along with their stock exhausts,mainfolds,and smog equipment.

I bought my 69 Cortez/black Z from the original owner of 35 years-he was eighteen,had just returned from his tour,bought it with his discharge pay,the window sticker lasted two hours as he went home and scratched it off with his fingernails so he could cruise the blvd that night and not look like a dork-quick end to one piece of it's history.This was the case with most of these cars-the significance of these items didn't dawn on most till waay too late,who knew? You tend to see substantial docs with the big block cars-they were almost twice as much as entry level offerings and in most cases were purchased by (dare I say it) much older thrity sumpin cats who could afford the note AND knew the value of keeping records of their investment.

I took along hard look at your car while it was on auction,and took a pass because,in part,it did not have a build sheet. Afterwards I rationalized it didn't really matter as the car had won numerous accolades and was well respected in the community.I think it is one of,if not the nicest example of a second gen I have seen,(my buddy took copies of the engine bay to use as a blueprint when he restores his)and wish it was in my garage .I think your car set the tone for the future of valuations for 70Z's of your cars caliber,and it will prove to be a great investment paperwork or not as it has the original drivetrain
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