[djunod]

What Joel says one time may not jive with another time or reality... I talked with him on the phone once and wrote down things as he said them... he told me things that I've since found to not be true... for example he said that Ray's Manta Ray was the only one he built, when we know that he built 3 of them. He also said that he built 3 Maco's, when there is evidence of 6.