i agree, vintage torq thrusts are far from belly button wheels...Straight spoke torq thrusts are tuff to beat IMO. If you DO find a set of old ones, be careful with 14's if you have disc brakes up front... I have had several sets that would not clear the front caliper brackets. Here's a close-up example of a straight spoke, "old school" torq thrust... too cool! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]