[Allen]

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On the one hand, I can agree with Frank in that sometimes the criticism seems relentless, and over the top. With due respect to Allen and the members of Steve's Nova site, I have often sat in front of the computer and watched some high quality machinery get dissected and wondered "Do these guys like anything? " [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

On this car the Nit Pickers are right.The seller uses a number of bidder identities(just like the Alberta Yenko Cloner), and conducts private auctions which would make shill bidding easier. I have spoken to a past customer who has had some serious problems with his purchase. I have spoken to those who have inspected the car and while it may not have "undercarriage rust or repairs" there are other rust issues that are not mentioned in the ad. Now, you might ask, what do you expect for $16K? A while back I contacted another member of this board about the purchase of his Copo Camaro. He spent a great deal of time telling me specifically about how much rust the car had, and about things that would need attention. That was honest, and straightforward ,and that is what I expect. Not misrepresentation. It speaks volumes about the class and integrity of that member.

E-Bay is becoming a minefield for people trying to find an honest deal.I have a new word to describe what is happening. I call it "Tuttleization" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]



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Marc,
Thanks for your input, and it is nice to hear from someone who has investigated this one further.

I've done a little thinking about the situation and your question of "do these guys like anything?". I realize someone who has followed our posts on Steve's site probably do notice the dissections of various cars that come up. However, what may not be obvious is what starts the commentary.

In some cases, a neat car surfaces and we say "wow, great car!", and that's the end of it. Generally, the long threads are the result of the SELLER's statements, not the car's appearance. I like all the cars.... it's the seller's statements that prompt more attention.

The ol' "it's a real SS / COPO / Yenko / 396 / 454 / LS6 / L34 / L78 / whatever" are what prompts the scrutiny. It happens all the time here and there and everywhere. Because of the rarity of those special cars and the emotions and excitement they generate, it's a natural question to ask "is it real?".

As soon as a supposedly real car pops up, and the first glance results in finding things that don't add up, closer inspections follow and the comments tend to fly.

I like all Novas (and especially 68-72)...... I don't care whether they are six cylinders, or small V-8's, or SS's, or big blocks. Take a 6-cyl. and convert it to a big block for a sweet cruiser.... more power to you! Dress up your plain exterior with SS emblems because you like them...... more power to you! Call it a clone or a street-rod or whatever..... great! Say it's a factory SS or real Yenko when it appears to not be one, and some folks like myself tend to get a bit nit-picky and dig for more details.

In summing up that long-winded statement..... it's not the cars that are the problems.... it's the seller and how they represent them. A seller who appears to be deceitful, or makes inaccurate statements..... they subject themselves to more negative attention.

Look at this one that we are talking about..... two auctions back to back, same seller, different selling names, car was quickly modified from a rod to a stock appearing one, and things look fishy. What do you do or think?