Here is a situation I ran into about 6 years ago with one of his "conversion" cars. A guy in GA supposedly had two 69 Baldwin/Motion Camaros and had the paperwork to back them both up. He had one of them for sale and the price was right @ $10,000 and the car needed minor restoration work. I went to look at the car for sale and at the same time he showed me the one that his dad had supposedly bought new in late 1969. The car for sale was black with a set of ugly red stripes on it front & rear. They resembled the late 68 SS Camaro stripe that went across the nose and down the sides of the fenders ending on the door. Even the one on the rear of the car was the same but applied exactly opposite of the front one with the stripe going towards the front of the car ending above the 1/4 panel louvers. This car had Motion emblems on each fender, the tailpanel, and even on the hood. There were a lot of fiberglass body panels on the car, front fenders, lower front valence, inner fenders, hood with cowl scoop with a Grumpy style scoop mounted on top of the cowl scoop, and a 1 pc decklid w/spoiler molded in. All pieces were made by Moroso I believe. Also there was a mechanical Moroso tach mounted where the ashtray should have been. The car had a bolt in roll bar and had Cragar SST wheels all the way around. The paperwork he had for the car showed all of these modifications plus the engine modifications done to an L88. The engine had the tunnel ram intake with two Holleys on top, and the valve covers were the Cal Custom ones with the SS427 emblems mounted on top of the fins. I started getting suspicious when the cowl tag showed the car to be a Hugger Orange Z-28 because at the time I thought all Motion cars were modified SS396's. I started looking at the paperwork and all of the modifications listed were on this car. Then I happened to notice a work order date of 1974 and the customer's address was in VA. This is not what I wanted to see. The guy selling the car said that this must be the paperwork for the other car and he went and got another folder with more invoices in it. After examining what was there, the other car which was white was not sold new through Baldwin Chevrolet and neither was the black one. Both were modified for customers that had purchased their cars elsewhere on the East coast. The white car was modified in September of 69 and the black car was done in 1974! The black car was brought to Joel to made into a drag car to run M/P. The owner of the car was in Virginia at the time and I later found out he raced the car for 10 years before selling it to someone in Tennessee. I even contacted Joel himself about the black car and he remembered it because of the awful looking paint job they applied to it. However he would not verify it as a legit Motion car until I sent him $1500 eventhough the paperwork was with the car. Well I passed on this car as everything about it seemed "suspicious" and the guy sold it to someone in Augusta GA later that year. I don't believe Baldwin Chevrolet ever sold 500 Motion modified cars as more should have become known by now. I have read where there were supposedly 500 67 Chevelle modified to SS427 status by Motion so that the 427 could be legalized for Nascar. Currently I have only seen one 67 Chevelle that was modified by them and it was in a magazine in 1967. This guy needs to come clean and give accurate production numbers of cars he modified and sold NEW through Baldwin Chevrolet, that is if has the records to back it up. Like "whitetop" mentions above, Mr.Norm meets and greets the public and doesn't want his pockets padded for it and he was even more well know than "Mr.Motion" to most Chevrolet & Ford fanatics. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to pass on this story.....thanks, rat pack.....