[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vfitom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tracker, you state: &quot;car retains one hidden VIN&quot;. Thus, If you have the original car with that original hidden vin, and you legally have the title with that listed VIN, YOU own that car. </div></div>

The rub is the title and the VIN plate reside with another individual who cut it out years ago. That aside, so, with your experience, you are saying a hidden VIN trumps an actual VIN plate on the dash in establishing the existence of &quot;a car&quot;? Cuz what I have is a pile of scrap metal with a matching engine block. What Bergy has is a whole car with VIN on the dash. You're saying - or at least intimating - is that because that VIN tag on the dash is removable it isn't as legitimate as a hidden VIN? (I'm just deducting out,here, from what you said in your post...allow me some leeway) So if Bergy had found this car with the hidden VINs on the cowl and behind the heater box in place BUT no VIN tag on the dash he'd be better off? Not challenging, just trying to learn.