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Old 05-20-2009, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: Bye Bye To The American V-8...

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Speaking of speed limits why not speed governed vehicles that are adjusted by GPS... They are looking into this now for future applications...

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You're offering more fire and brimstone. Why not offer substance?


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On the cobalt.. you can disagree but its sales are what they are.. do a comparison with the imports.

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Um, I'm a little confused what you're talking about.

There's a market segment where Chevrolet has an interest in offering their submission for the public's demand. Chevrolet offers a value-laden car that doesn't compete well with better offerings from Japan, Korea, or even across town.

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On the SSR - it currently makes multiple lists of the worst vehicles ever built. Check it out. If you need help I will post links for you.

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I've seen those articles. They are lame and only end up feeding more BS to the general population that Detroit's problem was product and quality when that isn't necessarily the problem.

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The Imports are what they are. Typically they are small displacement and are far less than exciting to drive and lack the butt busting torque that most American's prefer when towing or driving a muscle car.


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So you're comparing a daily driver with a musclecar?

What's wrong with this picture?

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Remember a little thing called Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness?? Constraints like this placed upon the the folks by the government is exactly what ended the first round of performance cars in the early 1970's and will no doubt end it now.


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What ended the first round of performance cars was insurance. The energy crisis merely followed.

Besides, your right to go fast is not a right at all. In fact, to tie liberty to a car is kinda funny - there are people in the world who can't say what they feel because of a totalitarian regime, and you think your freedom is being undermined? You have plenty of resources at your disposal to go fast despite your doom-and-gloom prognosis (which, by the way, hasn't been qualified yet).

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Question for you.... Tell us all how we will be able to meet fleet 2016 MPG requirements, Mass produce a vehicle that a defined market segment still clearly wants to buy (Camaro, Corvette, Challenger, Mustang check the sales they are significant) and still make over 400 HP with an "all American V8" and keep it fun to drive?

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I don't like CAFE and I don't like the new proposal. However, I try to call a spade a spade rather than get all bent out of shape over uncertainty. I try to look at the big picture and, when it comes down to Detroit, they have an antiquated business model with horrendous legacy costs and a poor product portfolio. The poor economy has reduced their liquidity although Ford had the luck of selling off its assets before things got bad. Now, they are in PR mode trying to tell us they're better because they didn't receive a loan, but I know Ford is as bad as any other company in Detroit.



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