[Chevy454]

I'm not gonna go out on a limb and say neither is on HGH, clear, one of the 'bols, or whatever...because they certainly wouldn't be the first, nor the last...but, in perspective, we're talking about *elite* athletes here. I've seen what simple supplements have done to guys I work out with...heck, I'm a perfect example, as there's no possible way my scrawny frame could flat bench 350+ *without* simple supplements...but start with a guy with already excellent genetics, and then throw in a no budget diet/supplement package, and good things are gonna happen. If you've ever been around a college athletic department much, then you've seen 'kids' transform before your eyes...