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Article in four wheel drift about this years B/J
Looks like B/J reputation is on the line I know Charley is a stickler about Facts But this years b/j has been the talk of many not so happy campers It was said here yea the sellers knew of the no reserve but there was much more to the story now there seems to be more I knew of this was told about this but I did not have all the facts just names of the people that was there and saw what is going on I just kept it to my self because I do not have facts just here say Well I received an e-mail about a article in Febs Four Wheel Drift with the facts It will be covered in some southern Cal news papers as well It seem people have tapes of the Auction caught some interesting things This article is all over the web Here is the article that was in Wheel Drift Barrett-Jackson’s Westworld Tent Turns Out to be a House of Cards January 27th, 2007 by fourwheeldrift As a collector car journalist, I have been watching the Barrett-Jackson auction for years. For the last five or so years, it has been very apparent that the Scottsdale auction is at best a bastion of greed and manipulation…and at worse, all-out fraud. I’ve discussed B-J with collectors, dealers and enthusiasts, many of whom would be considered “insiders,” meaning they’ve bought and sold cars at B-J and other auctions, or are well-known in the collector car hobby. For some reason, it is this year that people are all finally grumbling and passing rumors in unison. The bottom line is that Craig Jackson and the B-J company have really screwed themselves this year. Their contracts specifically promise every car three minutes on the stand. Due to ego and greed, they expanded the Scottsdale ’07 auction to the point they could not provide this, plus they had the audacity to do it on live television. A well-known former head judge in the Ford Thunderbird circles was one of the sellers who had his car short-timed. He has already filed a law suit against B-J, and this is already headed towards class-action status. According to this judge and other sources, it appears Barrett-Jackson was operating a bit on the same level as an evangelical healing show. They had assistants milling around asking what specific sellers thought their cars would bring. Armed with this information at the control desk, if a lot passed the value at which a seller indicated he’d be happy, the car would be rushed off and the gavel would fall – even if bidding was still very much alive. Because the event was televised on live television via the Speed TV network, the plaintiff(s) now have video/audio proof that buyers were signaling increased bids before the three-minute marks, but were denied by a too-fast last call and hammer. While this all might cause Barrett-Jackson to have to pay money to sellers in the form of a judgment or settlement, it is something else that might land Craig Jackson in jail. It is no secret that Barrett-Jackson owns many cars that are run through the auction – it was something I suspected many, many years ago. This was proven when they started maintaining a showroom of cars in Arizona. This is not illegal, but stay with me. I’ve always suspected that the cars owned by Craig Jackson and the B-J company were often driven up by shill bidders working for the company. Essentially, the strategy works in the sense that ever since the auction focus moved from classics like Packards and Duesenbergs to muscle cars, B-J has been able to shill, say a Hemi Cuda or mid-year Corvette 427 they own, which causes the value of the 10 other identical cars to increase. They wind up “buying” their own car back, but the others go on to regular buyers, who now are paying higher because of the perception the market has moved up. This suspicion has been validated by auction attendees this year that witnessed cars sold at auction headed in trailers back to B-J’s warehouse. The lawsuit allegedly points out that these cars also spent significantly more time on the block than others. If this isn’t all interesting enough, during this year’s auction, fellow collector car journalist, Keith Martin of Sports Car Market, was booted from the Westworld premises and his media credentials revoked for voicing loud, specific concern regarding the event while sitting in the media room. Barrett-Jackson accused Keith Martin of “holding court” and attempting to send VIPs and journalists to the competing RM and Russo and Steele auction events. Among the alleged opinions included that the cars at B-J were of inferior quality (and had quality misrepresented,) as well as that the bidders were significantly over-bidding cars, which shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who has witnessed people paying six figures for cars they could have bought for under $50,000 any other day of the year!!! This is somewhat of an interesting twist. Keith Martin’s publication has marketed the B-J events and has helped fuel its popularity. Keith is definitely one of the great “insiders” of the hobby, and has been a friend to Craig Jackson. In past years, Keith nor his publication have been critical of the goings-on and rumors, while other collector car journalists have been outwardly screaming that something stunk. It makes sense, since Sports Car Market really only tracks the value of vehicles and other items sold at auction, rather than via private sales (which really has skewed SCM’s values for years!) So without kissing-ass to B-J, Keith would have missed insider info on the largest events covered by his mag. So we can only guess that Keith and Craig had a falling out of some type. I applaud Keith for turning the corner on his view of B-J, but I’m with others I’ve talked to about this: I hate to say this about a colleague, but I felt his behavior was a bit unprofessional. As journalists, it is our responsibility to write what we think, but going to the show for years, then promoting RM and Russo+Steele while at Westworld is somewhat unprofessional. I agree that Keith, a true hobbyist who started out by writing an Alfa Romeo newsletter, was for a long time too much a part of the “circus” about which he finally rejected, and that SCM has to a significant degree helped to fuel misinformation and a house of cards regarding specific auction prices and bidding behavior. Keith, by all accounts, is a really good guy — an enthusiast, who maybe just needed to take a step back and a big breath and reacquaint himself with those outside of the very insulated collector car “in crowd” — and spend time with some car people who are not trying to exploit the collectors. There are plenty of guys who have dug themselves too deep into this little crowd, and are no longer fun to deal with, because they’ve put personal greed well ahead of the cars and the collectors. Keith will rebound — he has a great internal staff of really fantastic people, who hopefully will help him return to his roots. That being said… While I’ve never met him, the buzz among those in the hobby — both collectors and journalists, is that Craig Jackson is quite arrogant, so don’t expect many to come to his rescue. He inherited his father’s company, and has fueled B-J’s growth with a combination of intelligence, drive, ego, and greed. While there is nothing wrong with that combination, when it results in unethical and possibly illegal activities, that’s inexcusable. Like many surrounding the hobby, I will be watching the events unfold. Will the Westworld tents come down like a house of cards, or will everything just go away with an exchange of a little money? It’s hard to predict. Craig Jackson has become a very powerful man, and his company has pumped billions of dollars into the Arizona economy over the years. This all being said, there’s no doubt that Barrett-Jackson “jumped the shark” this year. Unlike when Fonzi did it, Craig Jackson drove his allegedly shill-bid Hemicudas over the tank and down a ramp that could lead to six years in a minimum security prison-issued orange jumpsuit. If that’s the case, maybe he can get Sports Car Market in the slammer to keep-up on Russo and Steele, RM and Kruse auction results. Now That it is out in the open if the mag did not have the right facts they could have been sued they must have the facts before they print this article I would think __________________ |
Re: Article in four wheel drift about this years B/J
The so called journalist that wrote that article already admitted on his website he was wrong about the 3 minute guarantee in the contract. Someone on another site posted their contract and there is no 3 minute guarantee. The so called journalist's website has deleted the thread entirely. If you would have had a chance to follow the thread on his web site you would have seen Steve Davis , president of Barrett-Jackson respond and basically say they won't put up with that type of slander. The writer backed nothing up with fact. I found his article about as believable as a supermarket tabloid. It will be interesting to see where it ends up at.
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I know Charley is a stickler about Facts [/ QUOTE ] It helps when trying to make a point! Norm is there some underlying bias here? |
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I believe the term is “sensational journalism”. B/J has become so big, and so popular, that all automotive media sources have to cover the auction, in one fashion or another. And as we all know, in today’s society, negative reviews, regardless of factual content, is what generates interest.
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Sorry But no underlying bias
came back for our vette club meet last night And I did talk to the fellows that was there to face to face And got the facts Man what a mess I showed them the article All I can say that it only part of it there was much more There is not drought in my mind that there will be more coming out in print In the following months Steve Davis can talk his b/s all he wants but facts are facts End of story Charlie I am sorry if I up- set you it was not my intention Just trying to shed some light to this I just do not like what I have seen and heard This to me is suppose to be a fun hobby. To me B/J is trying hard to make it something else I have heard enough and have made up my mind. I will end it here. And say no more about this Only time will tell how it ends up |
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Norm...You didn't upset me. The so called writer did by posting his accusations and not posting anything to back them up.
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Thanks Charley
I did not post this to piss people off It was on so many web sites and I thought I would just pass it as information And since it was in print thought it was the facts Hope we Are still friends |
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And since it was in print ... thought it was the facts [/ QUOTE ] I saw this several days ago as well, got it via email. I quickly asked the sender to identify the writer and any proof of the accusations. When none arrived I figured I would avoid the controversy and delete it. Lord knows I can create enough controversy on my own !! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif How many people quote the print on this site as facts? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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