Factory Stockers Unite!!!
 

Ok we are all set to go for the June 11th Factory Stock Drags at Englishtown, NJ.

We got a car show, a video tape crew, girls, trophies, interviews, after event dinner planned, girls, car magazine writers, chassis dyno, oh yeah almost forgot Girls....

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How about this??, save all of your time slips, whomever has the best Reaction Time in Factory Stock will get a special trophy, and a picture with the trophy girl of your choice at the christmas tree!

Not from a test and tune, but one of the best of three shootouts.

Gates open at 9am, park by the rest of the muscle cars in the middle of the pit parking lot, and Yes there is a tech inspection after park your car, One of us will be handing out a driver information sheet which the track announcer uses and one of the guys with the Blue Tech Crew T-Shirts will tech you in.

Everyone should READ the Factory Stock rules carefully, if you dont make Tech you can STILL run, but you will be Bracket racing and NOT in the same lanes or results with the Factory Stockers.


READ here:

http://forums.factorystockmusclecars...rm/f/352100271

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I attended the first event - bummer about the rain - but had a fun time. I was reading the rules and don't recall these paragraphs from prior years. Could you explain a little about the vacuum test?

I'm a bit concerned about some of the parameters about not idling etc... When I was there b4, my car was running like shitt because I'm not an experienced tuner, (special thanks to the two guys from Kansas who really helped me out https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif ). Is it possible to get bounced out of a class because your car surges or doesn't idle - even though it has stock TRW 11.0:1 pistons (+30thous) and the GM blueprint cam? I have a factory stock car, and don't want to be put into a fast class.


Excerpt from the rules page:

"Your car must still look and sound and idle like a factory stock 60's muscle car. This means you must be able to idle at 900 rpm in gear, if not you'll be put in F.A.S.T class. If your car surges (because your cam is too wild at idle), you will be moved into F.A.S.T class

Any car that runs faster than 12.30 in Factory Stock class will be subject to mandatory vacuum test of 15" of vacuum at 900 rpm, we will check the compression of your engine, to see if you are over stock compression by more than a point, we will check the cubic inches of your motor to make sure you are not more than 10 cubic inches over stock."

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"When I was there b4, my car was running like shitt because I'm not an experienced tuner"


The first event you are talking about was in 2004. Are you telling me your car still can't idle after 2 years??? But you are thinking of bringing it anyway??

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No, I'm not saying that, (although I have not started it this year yet, so I'm hoping all is cool!), I brought my car to your first event to work out some bugs, and I'm sure others might do the same - just wanting to have some fun!!

I'm really just inquiring about the rule changes. I'm not always clear about what's being tested by requiring a certain idle, at a certain rpm, a certain vacuum, etc... I'm obviously not a seasoned drag racer, and I don't know what a p&g meter is, or why cranking compression is checked, etc... Just want some clarity, before I go smoke em up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Well Marlin we were going on the honor system that people who had "stock" muscle cars would bring "stock" muscle cars.

But low and behold, racers are racers, so some cars were not as exactly as stock as most average muscle cars fans remember them. So without trying to dampen anybody's enterprising spirit and still have a race that is true to the name "Factory Stock" we had to institute a few rule changes. I think they are liberal and allows the guys who have done some mods some leeway. This also does not discourage the average car show guy who represents most of our events participants.

So as an example if you are running 12.00's and can't idle below 2000 rpm without stalling......are you really stock??? I say no and so does virtually everyone else who participated, and all the BS you can come up with doesn't fool anyone. I am not talking to you personally of course.

If you truly have a stocker with a few mods you have nothing to worry about. The rules are self explanatory I think. We want everyone to come out an enjoy themselves and have a good time, its not for somebody to is trying to make a name for themselves or somehow change history. History itself has already demonstrated what the quickest Factory Stockers were. This is for enjoyment purposes only.

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Ok, I understand - I guess. I am planning to build my next Yenko deuce as a Certified Pure Stocker by following the rules laid down by the PSMCDR crew in Stanton, MI. I've been to several of those events, and I really enjoy them. I think there is a distinct challenge to get the most out of a pure stocker by putting the time and effort into the buildup that GM couldn't do within their mfg parameters.

I think that what you are saying though, is that if I get all my ducks in a row by blueprinting everything to GM spec's, etc... that I might be disallowed as a pure stocker bec/ I'm faster than history? I'm not trying to be a hard asss here, but it sort of defeats the goal of trying to make your car faster! I wasn't around back in the 'day', so I don't have a basis for what historical cars ran - but I know that I (with help) have dramatically improved my own et & mph compared to my own history, and I plan to keep improving.

BTW: If you put me through a tear down, I would pass - but I know that my car will never idle smooth at 900rpm. I think the spec is actually 1000, and the best I can get it too right now is around 1200 - which is just fine since that's my launch rpm sometimes https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Marlin, the stock LT-1 camshaft that was in your car was a solid, with a LSA of 116 degrees and a lift of .435 I believe. If THAT cam doesn't idle like a kitten purring quietly then NO camshaft does. Or you got the wrong cam.

I didn't say blueprinting your motor would be illegal, and todays technology has certainly improved ET's over the years.

I DID say that if you are running in the 12.20's your getting tested, and if you are running better than 12.00's your car is no longer a true representation of what a "stock" factory muscle car would run. I think we both know that to be true.
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Everybody wants to go faster naturally, but you can adjust the timing only so much, and only breathe on the motor so much, and tune till you are blue in the face...this does not make a 11 second stocker! Its makes a good F.A.S.T. class car though.
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Remember those Mopar ads with a blueprinted/tuned Hemi Roadrunner, with Ronnie Sox driving it getting mid-low 13's out of the car??? Do you think Ronnie didn't know how to drive?? I think giving everyone till 12.00's is fair enough for some tinkering.

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I might be wrong on the lift, might have been higher .458/.484 something like that. As I remember they have a pretty big overlap , but used the wide LSA to smooth it out, so they would idle fine

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I thinking about driving the hemi Charger down there. I live about 45 minutes away and the weather is looking nice for this weekend. I dont think I can run in any of the official classes as the car still has the original set of headers on it that were installed at the dealership when new. (and yes I have the original dealership invoice documenting it) and also the car is riding on the original Amercian Racing mags that have been on it the same amount of time. Is there a "fun run" class I can run the car in? Or am I relegated to the show field?

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...0&fpart=all

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There is a fun run class, for cars that don't quite meet the Factory Stock rules. Its called MCE, Muscle Car Eliminator.

Be glad to have ya, awesome looking ride man WOW https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif