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'69 X77 302DZ Camaro Barn Find
What's this car worth? It is a barn find that was just offered to me for the right price, if I offer it, from THE ORIGINAL OWNER.
OK about the car: 99000 miles on the car, it is fair to rough. He has all documentation, protect-o-plate. It has the original 302DZ engine, single 4 barrell carb, M21, 12 bolt, fold down rear seat, all numbers matching except for the starter and altenator. The car has the original battery in it. It is nicely optioned as well, rear defrost, power disk brakes, guage package, everything is there. I just don't know what it's worth. I work with the guys wife and he wanted to offer it to me before anyone else. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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If it still has the original battery, I'd offer at least $1,000,000, as that must be an advanced alien-technology power source that you can sell for huge profits.
Otherwise, maybe $15K? |
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Not enough info...
What color ext? int? Cowl hood? Still wearing original paint? How original are the factory finishes? Any rust? if so where? Running and driving? Color and condition are going to be the main factors here... |
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15k... you could part it for more... I think that barnfind blue car out of NY that needed a total resto sold for 20k a few years ago... not running...
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If it still has the original battery, I'd offer at least $1,000,000, as that must be an advanced alien-technology power source that you can sell for huge profits. Otherwise, maybe $15K? [/ QUOTE ] https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif I would love to see some pictures. Especially of the battery. Have to give us pictures and more info. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif |
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Good question Pete... why didn't I catch that?
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"Barn Find" is probably the most inaccurately-used term going these days. Maybe the term should be "barnyard find" (aka: Steamy gold) for cars that have no chance of a quick and low-effort resurrection.
My definition of "barn find" is when you pull back the cover, change the fluids, brake calipers, water pump/radiator, and are motoring in a few weekends... ...instead of dragging some derelict mess home. Granted, it is what it is, but hype cools off, and then what are you left with? In the current market, at anything north of $15K, you're going to be upside-down in grand fashion. Any car of this ilk (99K miles and stored poorly) means that it was ridden hard and put away wet when it either became too ugly to drive, or broke something, meaning that you'll have to go through EVERYTHING and have a $50K car in today's market. A restoration done yourself you'd be upside-down on just on your money, and not including your time. A restoration you pay for-- Forget it. A 'nice' paint job is $10K these days. And that's just paint. Not to mention that you wouldn't be driving that thing until 2011 at the soonest.... Sounds like a recipe for disaster... |
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If you try to buy one the correct way... ie backing out costs. You will end up having to get someone to pay you to take it away in order to makethe money wash out...
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Pictures and more info will get the questions answered. As for the battery.............I'm slightly suspect it is in fact the original. Starter & Battery replaced but the battery hung in there ?
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Rob:
Sounds like a cool find. I'm a big fan of First Gen Z/28s and they are rarely purchased from the original owner with original drivetrains and paperwork. Some of the options are great too! Fold down rear seat and rear window defogger, pretty cool. If you are able to post some pictures, you will probably get a more realistic response from members. My advice is mechanical work regardless of what is needed is always cheaper than extensive sheetmetal and paintwork. Determine the value by how much you can do yourself and not farm out. Also structural integrity is important. Rockers, rear frame rails and floor pans are not for the novice. Good luck, have fun, and jump into the deep water. First Generation Z/28s are icons. Ed |
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I said that he had the original battery. I'm sure it is garbage. But he kept it like pretty much everything. This guy doesn't throw nothin out. He has all records of oil changes, repairs and even the original brochure and the purchase agreement from the dealer when he ordered the car.I did take some pics of the car but I don't know how to post them. The car has some rott in the very lower part of the body, quarter behind tire, bottom of doors, bottom of fender behind tire, gas tank straps broke. The car has been sitting since '76 store inside a POLE BARN. Everything is there for the car except the original starter and altenator. It has 92600 miles on the odometer. It is an original Canadian car (sold in Canada). Here is the list of options:
Soft ray tinted glass, fold down rear seat, rear defrost, center console, 3.55 ratio posi rear axle, power disk brakes, engine block heater, M21 tranny, sport styled steering wheel, special instrumentation, am/fm push button radio, special front bumper, auxiliary lighting, special performance equipment (Z28), cortez silver on dark blue vinyl interior. This car cost $4712.45 when he bought it new. He even traded in a '65 Plymouth Fury III w/440 4spd for it. |
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20/30k depending on condition, get it home https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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silver over blue wih endura... nice...
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So it's a POLE BARN find...? Does that mean it was sitting on a dirt floor?
When gas tank straps break from rust, that is generally a bad sign... |
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Silver/Blue guts sounds cool. Nice options too.
As for the original owner/original battery thing.............. it ain't ALL that uncommon! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif |
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Yes,gas tank traps that break is not a good thing.How does the car look underneath over all???? I wouldn't pay more than 20k for it only because of it's cost to restore.
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I said that he had the original battery. I'm sure it is garbage. But he kept it like pretty much everything. This guy doesn't throw nothin out. He has all records of oil changes, repairs and even the original brochure and the purchase agreement from the dealer when he ordered the car.I did take some pics of the car but I don't know how to post them. The car has some rott in the very lower part of the body, quarter behind tire, bottom of doors, bottom of fender behind tire, gas tank straps broke. The car has been sitting since '76 store inside a POLE BARN. Everything is there for the car except the original starter and altenator. It has 92600 miles on the odometer. It is an original Canadian car (sold in Canada). Here is the list of options: Soft ray tinted glass, fold down rear seat, rear defrost, center console, 3.55 ratio posi rear axle, power disk brakes, engine block heater, M21 tranny, sport styled steering wheel, special instrumentation, am/fm push button radio, special front bumper, auxiliary lighting, special performance equipment (Z28), cortez silver on dark blue vinyl interior. This car cost $4712.45 when he bought it new. He even traded in a '65 Plymouth Fury III w/440 4spd for it. [/ QUOTE ] Welcome Rod. Welcome to the site! Sounds like an interesting Z. Send your photos to me and i will post 'em for you. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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I guess that battery should be sitting in the car with the positive side at the fender. I would like to see that. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
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The underneath of the car doesn't look too bad at all. He parked it with a full tank of fuel. The gas in it is for sale.
"Hi test fuel for sale. Aged in tank for 32 years. Almost good enough to drink" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif |
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The very high cost ( ie, money, time, aggrivation, etc ) of restoration always needs to be considered. Very easy to get upside down .
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If the car is for yourself, getting upside down is not the end of the world. Many people (myself included) can't afford a completely done, well restored 69 Z. Hopefully, when it is done, you know the car is done right because you weren't forced to cut corners. (Or purchasing someone else's slap together for resale project) Basicly, you are making payments to yourself. In the end it costs more, but you are able to have something that you may otherwise not be able to have.
I'm not saying that this is the case in this situation, just that may people do buy project cars for this reason. |
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In this day and age of fraud, faked build sheets and restamped blocks, I'd sooner buy a car in project form where you can see more evidence of the cars pedigree in undisturbed form, even if it means sinking a little more money into it to restore of have it restored. This way you can be a part of the restoration, and you know what you have. Plus it sounds like you got a heck of a deal on this one, so congrats.
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ok, now come across with the pictures.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif
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"Barn Find" is probably the most inaccurately-used term going these days. Maybe the term should be "barnyard find" (aka: Steamy gold) for cars that have no chance of a quick and low-effort resurrection. My definition of "barn find" is when you pull back the cover, change the fluids, brake calipers, water pump/radiator, and are motoring in a few weekends... ...instead of dragging some derelict mess home. Granted, it is what it is, but hype cools off, and then what are you left with? In the current market, at anything north of $15K, you're going to be upside-down in grand fashion. Any car of this ilk (99K miles and stored poorly) means that it was ridden hard and put away wet when it either became too ugly to drive, or broke something, meaning that you'll have to go through EVERYTHING and have a $50K car in today's market. A restoration done yourself you'd be upside-down on just on your money, and not including your time. A restoration you pay for-- Forget it. A 'nice' paint job is $10K these days. And that's just paint. Not to mention that you wouldn't be driving that thing until 2011 at the soonest.... Sounds like a recipe for disaster... [/ QUOTE ] I don't know if this has any connection but this quote reminded me of this girl my buddies referred to as Barnyard Betty.......she was not a good barn find. |
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[/ QUOTE ] I don't know if this has any connection but this quote reminded me of this girl my buddies referred to as Barnyard Betty.......she was not a good barn find. [/ QUOTE ] Was her positive side up against the fender? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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LOL; this is what I'm talking about:
EBay Link Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess. Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment. You can't polish a turd. |
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I can't beleive that many people bid on that POS.
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[/ QUOTE ]I don't know if this has any connection but this quote reminded me of this girl my buddies referred to as Barnyard Betty.......she was not a good barn find. [/ QUOTE ] https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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"Barn Find" is probably the most inaccurately-used term going these days. Maybe the term should be "barnyard find" (aka: Steamy gold) for cars that have no chance of a quick and low-effort resurrection. My definition of "barn find" is when you pull back the cover, change the fluids, brake calipers, water pump/radiator, and are motoring in a few weekends... ...instead of dragging some derelict mess home. Granted, it is what it is, but hype cools off, and then what are you left with? In the current market, at anything north of $15K, you're going to be upside-down in grand fashion. Any car of this ilk (99K miles and stored poorly) means that it was ridden hard and put away wet when it either became too ugly to drive, or broke something, meaning that you'll have to go through EVERYTHING and have a $50K car in today's market. A restoration done yourself you'd be upside-down on just on your money, and not including your time. A restoration you pay for-- Forget it. A 'nice' paint job is $10K these days. And that's just paint. Not to mention that you wouldn't be driving that thing until 2011 at the soonest.... Sounds like a recipe for disaster... [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the clarification on this. BUT, this car is a "Barn Find" and with a little TLC, could be on the road in a couple months. AS far as the retoration goes, I'm a pretty resourceful guy with lots of resourcefull friends. Materials would be my only financial cost (not much needed either), labour would be crafted with love from a group of guys with a passion for American Muscle. (If this is what I do with this car). The only drawback would be time to do it. I'm not in a hurry and have no intentions of cutting corners. But it could also be an investment opportunity as well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif Who knows, I just might flip it. Haven't decided yet. |
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LOL; this is what I'm talking about: EBay Link Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess. Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment. You can't polish a turd. [/ QUOTE ] It's no wonder I can't find or afford any more parts cars if they look that rough yet bring that kind of money. |
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LOL; this is what I'm talking about: EBay Link Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess. Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment. You can't polish a turd. [/ QUOTE ] That car you provided the link to, if you consider that a "barn find" then this DZ car I have is a "Gem". My car could be driveable, but I wouldn't even think about it until I check everything over due to the rareness of this find. To just fire it up and try to drive it, in my books would be irresponsible to what the car actually is. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif So with reference to your "being driven hard and put away wet", this is not the case. I do appreciate your input though. It's funny, I always wanted a '60s Camaro. I never thought that my very first Camaro would be a DZ car. I should go buy a lottery ticket. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif If it ain't a turd to begin with, polishing it will be a breeze. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif |
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[/ QUOTE ] Welcome Rob. Welcome to the site! Sounds like an interesting Z. Send your photos to me and i will post 'em for you. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif [/ QUOTE ] PM me your email address so I cansend some pics to you. Thanks, |
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[ QUOTE ] LOL; this is what I'm talking about: EBay Link Don't use "Barn Find", and instead it's barnyard find... Total mess. Though, I should edit my original statement regarding the difference between barn find and barnyard find to include "clean it up to a respectable and patina'ed level" in addition to enjoyable mechanical refreshment. You can't polish a turd. [/ QUOTE ] That car you provided the link to, if you consider that a "barn find" then this DZ car I have is a "Gem". My car could be driveable, but I wouldn't even think about it until I check everything over due to the rareness of this find. To just fire it up and try to drive it, in my books would be irresponsible to what the car actually is. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif So with reference to your "being driven hard and put away wet", this is not the case. I do appreciate your input though. It's funny, I always wanted a '60s Camaro. I never thought that my very first Camaro would be a DZ car. I should go buy a lottery ticket. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif If it ain't a turd to begin with, polishing it will be a breeze. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif [/ QUOTE ] Malitude your car is a real Gem. You make the final decision and know what your capabilities are. Good luck with the car and just ignore the negative comments from those that have not even seen the car. To me the enjoyment is bringing them back to life. |
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Malitude your car is a real Gem. You make the final decision and know what your capabilities are. Good luck with the car and just ignore the negative comments from those that have not even seen the car. To me the enjoyment is bringing them back to life. [/ QUOTE ] Amen Steve, and for what it's worth, I've seen cars far worse than that frost green car brought back to life too...Around here that car would be considered a pretty nice find. Some people just like to make negative comments about the good luck/finds of others I guess... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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Thanks guys. You're right. I won't let those kinds of comments bring me down, not with what this car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif
I'm sure that there are hundreds of other cars out there just waiting to be discovered. My Brother and I knew about this one for a few years now and kept it to ourselves in hopes that they would sell it to us one day. I guess they finally decided that they weren't going to do anything with it and offered it up for the right $. Soon it will be in my Garage when the weather breaks. |
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Good luck with the Z..Just think..If you do get "upside down" you won't be for long. Sounds like a winner to me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
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I didn't think that green 69 Camaro was a bad deal under $8,ooo.oo. I've never owned a Camaro or any car newer than a 67, was that realy "badly bought" ?
I have actually been considering getting a 67 (or maybe 68) Camaro and would have thought it was a GREAT deal if it were one of those years. Are the earlier ones bringing much more money even in the same condition? |
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I don't know why everyone is talking about losing money on these cars. Now is the time to be buying. Just like stocks boys - buy when nobody wants them and sell when everybody wants them!
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Is this the Camaro that was posted on Team Camaro a while back?
Either way...ignore the negative stuff...and have fun with it! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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