1969 Z-28 Camaro - Please Help
 

I need help determinating if the numbers posted here are real or restamped.
Thanks

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When was the car built? 04A 04B? Do you have a pic of the vin stamp from the transmission.

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I don't know when it was built. I have many more pics... is there a way for me to e-mail it to you?

1969 Z-28 Camaro Pics
 

I need help identifying the number - if they have been restamped...

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Another Picture -

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All the dates line up... the axle is a 2nd day April the engine build date is March 29th... What is the casting number on the block? Do you have a photo of the Vin on the block?
The broach marks on the deck look a little heavy. I would like to hear what some other guys think... The car should most likely be an 04A or 04B build date...

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Do not have casting numbers on the block yet.. What is an 04A or 04B? Thank you for your response. What do you mean by the broach marks being little heavy?
The car has no history or documentation. I'm trying to buy the car as number matching and this is all the info I have.
Thanks again.

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The broach marks on the deck look a little heavy. I would like to hear what some other guys think...

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Yep! I'm thinking...36 grit on a belt sander.

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They looked a little heavy for me...

QX axle is a JL8 3.73 rear...
Does the car have rear discs?
Also get some pictures of the ends of the axle tubes up close to where the wheels...

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The broach marks look home made to me. The front calipers look wrong. As I recall the front JL8 is left and right specific ? As in it only has one boss for the hose to screw into. That one has two bosses, one below the other. Normally there is also a bracket and a short J shaped steel line with spring around it to keep a distance between the hot caliper and the rubber brake line.

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Yep! I'm thinking...36 grit on a belt sander.

[/ QUOTE ] 36 grit on a bent sander at that.

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https://www.yenko.net/attachments/315475-z-283.jpg

http://www.crossroadspaper.com/69_Z2...012Cropped.jpg

See the difference of the lines that run lenghtwise down the block... on the deck? On the 0329 engine they are not straight nor are they very uniform...
The broach marks are very straight by virtue of the process...

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Thank you Gentlemen, this car is a frame off restoration cross ram, after market cross ram but absolute beautiful restoration. Also four wheel disk brakes I don't believe to be original. Orange rs white interior, white stripes, with supposedly matching numbers but no documentation. What kind of value would you put on the car today?

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Too many variables to put a value on it...
No cowl tag photos... Is it a real Z? What leve l restoration? There are so many different Frame Off levels... what you consider to be Frame Off might not be what others consider to ba a frame off...

There are some obvious problems with broach marks and etc...
If you want to get it verified I would suggest contacting Jerry MacNeish and having the car checked over by him. http://www.z28camaro.com/

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Restamp....

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Mark thank you for your response, could you please educate me why you think these numbers are restamped? Again thank you for taking the time to assist me.

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The broach marks errrr the 36 grit sandpaper marks on the block deck are the giveaway here as to being restamped... People typically dont grind blocks like this... what happens is when a block is milled square at a machine shop they use a cuttting head that leaves radial marks on the block... originally they were broached... there is a thread on this site that shows how large a block broach is... (about the size of a locomotive is how someone described it).
They then cover up the radial marks with either a file or sanding then restamp the numbers they want... If you pulled a head it would in all likelyhood have radial machining marks on the decks where it doesn't show...

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If you want to get it verified

[/ QUOTE ] Post a pic the guys here will verify it for free im sure. At least they will tell you if the tag is real or not,but of course cant say for sure if it hasnt been changed.

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Is the car in question hugger orange? If it is it has been discussed here in the past.

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Restamp....

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RESTAMP
PJ

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Mark thank you for your response, could you please educate me why you think these numbers are restamped? Again thank you for taking the time to assist me.

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Take a close look at James pic of a legit stamp and compare to yours. Notice the "9" and the "0"? Fonts are completely different. Also with respect to the broach marks on your block, not only are they too deep but they are not parallel. Some lines go to the left, some to the right, some straight. As Charley mentioned, a belt sander special....

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The vin on the trans is on the wrong side.

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Is the car in question hugger orange? If it is it has been discussed here in the past.

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Yes, it is hugger orange. It is in Tampa, Fl. Do you know where it has been discussed?
I will try to post more pics this afternoon.

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What is the dealers name that has the car?

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http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86663

Is that the one?

If it is, I remeber it was a nice car, but its only worth "tribute" money...

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http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86663

Is that the one?

If it is, I remeber it was a nice car, but its only worth "tribute" money...

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I dont think it's the same car. If it is, all the components are dated far after the tag. The car in the link above is an 02B car and the car mentioned at the start of this post was built in April. 2 different cars IMO.

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Gentleman, thank you for all your help. Based on all your opinions and no documentation on the car,I will pass... he is looking for a price in the $80K...
Thanks again.
If any of you know of a 69 RS Z totally restored for sale, does not have to be number matching, let me know.

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I believe a DY RS Z/28 was listed in the for sale section a month or so ago.

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DY is gone. The black one is still for sale though.

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Sent you an email, Ken.

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I'd say all the #'s that you posted are restamps.
Did you get a tag picture?